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Posted by mhayward1978 armadilloal

armadilloal wrote:
lmengsol wrote:I don't know where more people don't see this as a fix. Mandalay Bay has 1.5 million feet of exhibit space where as the Indy Convention Center has 566,000. Mandalay Bay also has 3300 guest rooms nearly the connected amount that is in downtown Indy. When you add Luxor (which is next door) that's another 4400 hotel rooms. That exceed the capacity of Indy and they are all walkable. I am guessing you could get those rooms at or below the price point Indy is charging. More space, more walkable rooms, I don't see how this isn't a winner.

According to http://www.lvol.com/conventions/large.html, the largest convention coming up at the Mandalay Bay Convention Center is the JCK Annual Trade Show on June 5-8, at 39,000 attendees.Prices for a Resort Queen room on those dates?
6/4 - $327
6/5 - $470
6/6 - $470
6/7 - $327
That's a Monday-Thursday convention, so those are midweek rates.
Let's try another one.  The Licensing International Expo is there on May 23-25 and will have 24k attendees.  Throw in RECon's 37k at the LVCC (which runs from 5/22-5/24), and we're right on the 61k number Gen Con was at last year.  Rates for the Mandalay Bay's basic Resort Queen?
5/21 - $308
5/22 - $524
5/23 - $524
5/24 - $294
Again, those dates are Sunday through Wednesday.  
I really don't see a 60+k convention like Gen Con getting better rates there than they do in Indy.
 

Stop injecting facts into this debate!  How dare you!
 

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Posted by garhkal mhayward1978

mhayward1978 wrote
You know - I'm not even sure that's cheating.  I explicitly asked on the forums whether this was OK or a violation of terms before registration. 

It might not be cheating in the literal sense, but in a more common sense style..
Just like in a RPG, having your character "meta-game" (where he uses knowledge for his character, that there's no way the CHARACTER should know, just cause the player does" is often not explicitly called out as 'cheating.  however, its often SEEN as cheating.
stiehle wrote:
Heh.  No wonder then that those who followed the rules of the lottery as intended never really had a shot at a decent time slot if this sort of cheating was commonplace (and yeah, I'd personally call it cheating).  I suppose there will always be those that exploit the system for the benefit of themselves with no concern or respect for others.  Sad, really...

I agree.  Which is why to me it is cheating..

 

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Posted by nialith

This thread had me wondering what rooms might still be available in the area after all the Housing hubbub calmed down. One person posted that there were no affordable rooms available within 10 miles of the convention center. This doesn't seem to be true.

I took a quick look on the Marriott and Hilton sites. I found 7 Marriott hotels with rooms available ranging from $156 to $313 per night. Hilton shows 8 hotels with rooms available ranging from $127 to $249. So it seems if you are willing to stay a little further away, there are more than enough affordable hotel rooms available. Certainly not as good as staying at an attached hotel for sure but it doesn't seem to support the argument that Indy doesn't have enough hotel rooms available. 

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Posted by roganca mhayward1978

mhayward1978 wrote:
armadilloal wrote:
lmengsol wrote:I don't know where more people don't see this as a fix. Mandalay Bay has 1.5 million feet of exhibit space where as the Indy Convention Center has 566,000. Mandalay Bay also has 3300 guest rooms nearly the connected amount that is in downtown Indy. When you add Luxor (which is next door) that's another 4400 hotel rooms. That exceed the capacity of Indy and they are all walkable. I am guessing you could get those rooms at or below the price point Indy is charging. More space, more walkable rooms, I don't see how this isn't a winner.

According to http://www.lvol.com/conventions/large.html, the largest convention coming up at the Mandalay Bay Convention Center is the JCK Annual Trade Show on June 5-8, at 39,000 attendees.Prices for a Resort Queen room on those dates?
6/4 - $327
6/5 - $470
6/6 - $470
6/7 - $327
That's a Monday-Thursday convention, so those are midweek rates.
Let's try another one.  The Licensing International Expo is there on May 23-25 and will have 24k attendees.  Throw in RECon's 37k at the LVCC (which runs from 5/22-5/24), and we're right on the 61k number Gen Con was at last year.  Rates for the Mandalay Bay's basic Resort Queen?
5/21 - $308
5/22 - $524
5/23 - $524
5/24 - $294
Again, those dates are Sunday through Wednesday.  
I really don't see a 60+k convention like Gen Con getting better rates there than they do in Indy.

Stop injecting facts into this debate!  How dare you!
 
Can I get in on the future housing forum postings before the rush begins? "$524/night? Another Gen Con Las Vegas FAIL!"

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Posted by asgelb

Does Vegas have a good convention center NOT in a hotel? I was just at a convention for real estate at Mandalay bay....and with 17,000 it was tight in the hallways. 60k wouldn't work well there..sure they have a lot of exhibition rooms and a very large main hall, but the hallways and escalators didn't seem to handle 17k all that well. But yes, there are a LOT more rooms in the area including Mandalay, Luxor and Excalibur (all attached by a free tram) (And Luxor and Excalibur are a bit more kid friendly (and Mandalay has great pools and an aquarium.)

Also, August in Vegas is BRUTAL hot, I think I'd take 90 and humid over 120...granted you don't have to go outside in Vegas but 4 days of no sunlight isn't a great idea. 

But that being said, living in Los Angeles, I'd much rather fly to Vegas than Indy...

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Posted by asgelb

And I know people are anti San Diego, but there is no better convention center than the one in San Diego.....I think the hotels attached to the convention center and within the Gaslamp are pretty significant, but I haven't checked the stats...All I know is that the 3-4 times I've been to comicon (which handles crowds of 120,000+) I would think that it could handle 60-70k quite well. And they could borrow the bus system comicon uses to connect hotels further away, which works quite well (unsure of operating costs).

Sure, a satellite Gencon may fail on the coast because everyone wants to go to the "real" Gencon, but if Gencon just up and moved to a new location, I'm sure it would do just fine. If I'm willing to fly to Indy, I'm willing to fly pretty much anywhere in the States.

It would just be a question if the City itself could handle Gencon after the hangover of Comicon just a few weeks before it...the locals may protest.

and what about Anaheim? Not enough rooms nearby? 

 

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Posted by hendelbolaf

I hear people like the original poster saying they have been going to Gen Con for years and have always had a room downtown until this year and all I can think is "Wow! You have been so lucky for so long, I guess it was time for you to have a slight down turn"

Maybe that is harsh and I wish they could get a room downtown, but I do not feel sorry for them.

My buddy who has also been going for decades and really, really wants to stay downtown booked a room at $500 or so a night in case he did not hit the housing jackpot. That is what people who are prepared to pay for that luxury do. They prepare in advance and ready themselves for the cost.

I have been blessed to stay downtown and have had remote sites. If you cannot get a downtown hotel in the housing block or you do not want to pay exorbitant rates outside the housing block and you do not have a car, I highly recommend you rent a car for the duration and drive in and park. I have found this to be a much more inexpensive way of enjoying they convention from a remote hotel.

I went outside the housing block and got a two twin beds and sleeper sofa for $80 a night. We wake up and get cleaned up and then head into downtown where the $30 a day parking is just a few feet from the convention center. If we need to drop off purchases or gear, the car is right there. We go from 8:00 AM to 1:00 AM so there is very little need for us to go back to a room, although I understand that some might want to do so. In that case there is plenty of relaxing chairs and couches (especially in the JW Marriott) where one could take a rest or I could always relax in my car if needed.

I guess what I am saying is that we can complain about this and that and wish for this and that, but if we were realistic we would prepare a secondary hotel in advance of the housing portal opening and always have a back up plan when disappointment comes.

I did not want to sound harsh or unfeeling and I really do hope that everyone enjoys the convention.

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Posted by eldrad12000

Every year, I hear people bring up Vegas. The city I live in. It is a terrible idea! I repeat, it is a bad, horrible terrible idea. Yes Vegas has the space, I can't deny that. It is not the place for GenCon. You have to walk through the hotels. Which in my opion and I know many others will suck. They are smokey, and crowded and unlike GenCon crowded they will be filled with a bunch of other non gaming people. It is hot, the people suck ass, and yes it hosts CES. That convention which is larger is very different from GenCon.
Indy is crowded, that is an issue. But they are a very welcoming town, that does a lot to accommodate GenCon. The atmosphere is great, when you are in your hotel and walking around, most of the people there are also fellow gamers. Yes there are homeless and some people say they are spooked by them. Well Vegas has those as well, as well as a ton of drunks, and tourists who are assholes, hookers, people who stand along the strip passing out escort cards, which then are tossed all over the place. 
It is a terrible place for GenCon. You will gain all the space you want and lose everything else. The main money making in Vegas is gambling. GenCon attendees are not there to gamble, thus they will not be as welcomed as some people think.

I could go on for a while. But yeah, my city sucks. Not for all conventions, but for what GenCon is, it would suck.

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Posted by ryanjamison

People keep mentioning the extra space at other convention centers, but space isn't really an issue for the immediate future. GenCon's overflow has been easily absorbed by nearby hotels, and they have just now begun to use the stadium space.

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Posted by hendelbolaf ryanjamison

ryanjamison wrote:
People keep mentioning the extra space at other convention centers, but space isn't really an issue for the immediate future. GenCon's overflow has been easily absorbed by nearby hotels, and they have just now begun to use the stadium space.
It is also a moot point through at least 2020 as Gen Con is currently committed to Indianapolis through then to my understanding.

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