New Hotel Being Built ( Locked)
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Posted by stevespikes
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According to reports on the NBC affiliate, WTHR Channel 13, a new Hyatt hotel is being built on Pennsylvania Street, across the street from Bankers Life Fieldhouse. It will be fifteen stories.  It will have 316 guest rooms, parking garage, restaurants, and shops.  It is slated to open in 2019.
 

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Posted by austicke
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Hyatt Place, Hyatt House hotel to open near home of Indianapolis Pacers

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Alec Usticke, Fans of Gen Con Facebook Group

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Posted by gib_rebeg
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https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22490009_1777492715626659_4366830113287061725_n.jpg?oh=01a71d2ca6ee2f30b3f73b61ed17cc4e&oe=5A739917

The   parking lot in that picture is where they will be building the new hotels.

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Posted by andrewj.rager
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Any hotel space downtown will be welcomed. Sounds like it should be ready for Gen Con 2019. I like that it is off Georgia Street as there is a lot going on there. Will be cool to see this on the housing block in two years.

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Posted by squirecam
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Welcome news because every bit helps

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Posted by father bloodlust squirecam
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squirecam wrote:
Welcome news because every bit helps

Definitely.

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Posted by al_kesselring
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Is this new hotel due to have a hamster tube connecting the convention center and the Circle Center Mall?

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Posted by stevespikes al_kesselring
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al_kesselring wrote:
Is this new hotel due to have a hamster tube connecting the convention center and the Circle Center Mall?
No.  I don't think so.  

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22490009_1777492715626659_4366830113287061725_n.jpg?oh=01a71d2ca6ee2f30b3f73b61ed17cc4e&oe=5A739917

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Posted by gharris
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Even if you jam 1200+ gamers into that hotel that won't even offset the growth of attendees over the next two years, assuming we get access to the whole hotel through the housing block.

We still need to curb and reduce attendance. Otherwise we will continue having an increasingly messed up housing problem. It is bad now. It will be worse next year. It will be even worse the year that this hotel opens unless steps are taken.

Otherwise, if the proportion of attendees that can actually stay downtown keeps plummeting there is no point in staying in a city with no mass transit but an "awesome" downtown scene becomes pointless, and all the annual discussions about moving the con actually start making sense.

We are past the point of needing a new hotel. Gen Con needs to start making some real changes if it is going to continue being the Best Four Days in Gaming.

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Posted by al_kesselring
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    "We still need to curb and reduce attendance."

    I'm curious...........are we to interpret that means that Gharris is going to bite the proverbial bullet and not join us at Gencon - ya know, "To Make Gencon Great Again"???????

    Or does that mean reducing all of us from attending Gencon?

​    Inquiring minds wanna know..........

 

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Posted by gharris
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One person not attending next year will not fix the core problem, nor will making the discussion about me personally fix anything.

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Posted by squirecam
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While we do need more downtown hotels let’s not take a positive and make it negative. This is good news.

what would be better news is progress on public transport or discussion of a shuttle system. Now is the time to be working out these details and not waiting until March 2018...
 

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Posted by roderick
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By all means, let's not make it personal (or re-hash old, tired arguments that lead too personal remarks). 

Roderick Robertson
Forum Coordinator 
Gen Con, LLC. 

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Posted by matthias9 gharris
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gharris wrote:
Even if you jam 1200+ gamers into that hotel that won't even offset the growth of attendees over the next two years, assuming we get access to the whole hotel through the housing block.
We still need to curb and reduce attendance. Otherwise we will continue having an increasingly messed up housing problem. It is bad now. It will be worse next year. It will be even worse the year that this hotel opens unless steps are taken.
Otherwise, if the proportion of attendees that can actually stay downtown keeps plummeting there is no point in staying in a city with no mass transit but an "awesome" downtown scene becomes pointless, and all the annual discussions about moving the con actually start making sense.
We are past the point of needing a new hotel. Gen Con needs to start making some real changes if it is going to continue being the Best Four Days in Gaming.

We need to curb attendance?  Isn't that what happened this year?   Not even sure what you mean by "won't even offset the growth of attendees over the next two years".  Again, maybe you don't realize that attendance WAS capped.  If attendance is capped again, as most seem to think, why are you assuming there would be attendee growth?

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Posted by lordnlkon matthias9
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matthias9 wrote:
gharris wrote:
Even if you jam 1200+ gamers into that hotel that won't even offset the growth of attendees over the next two years, assuming we get access to the whole hotel through the housing block.
We still need to curb and reduce attendance. Otherwise we will continue having an increasingly messed up housing problem. It is bad now. It will be worse next year. It will be even worse the year that this hotel opens unless steps are taken.
Otherwise, if the proportion of attendees that can actually stay downtown keeps plummeting there is no point in staying in a city with no mass transit but an "awesome" downtown scene becomes pointless, and all the annual discussions about moving the con actually start making sense.
We are past the point of needing a new hotel. Gen Con needs to start making some real changes if it is going to continue being the Best Four Days in Gaming.

We need to curb attendance?  Isn't that what happened this year?   Not even sure what you mean by "won't even offset the growth of attendees over the next two years".  Again, maybe you don't realize that attendance WAS capped.  If attendance is capped again, as most seem to think, why are you assuming there would be attendee growth?

Also since this was the 50th gencon, I am sure next years attendance will dip slightly. 

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Posted by gharris matthias9
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matthias9 wrote:

We need to curb attendance?  Isn't that what happened this year?   Not even sure what you mean by "won't even offset the growth of attendees over the next two years".  Again, maybe you don't realize that attendance WAS capped.  If attendance is capped again, as most seem to think, why are you assuming there would be attendee growth?


The attendance was capped, not curbed, which means that the increase in attendance vs last year was limited but there was still an increase. Also, now that people know that Gen Con can and will cap attendance more people will be motivated to buy their badges early which means more people will be in the housing lottery next year.

There was demand beyond the cap this year. Attendance has been increasing for years, there is no reason to believe demand won't increase again next year. Even if there was a huge 50th anniversary spike this year there is no reason that demand won't be greater than 2016, and 2016 was also a mess. 

There is also no reason to believe that the cap won't increase next year. Even if it doesn't its presence this year will still cause a bigger rush next year on housing day.

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Posted by raidkillsbugsded
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I'm taking the under for 250 on how many posts until this thread is locked...

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Posted by miked gharris
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gharris wrote:
matthias9 wrote:We need to curb attendance?  Isn't that what happened this year?   Not even sure what you mean by "won't even offset the growth of attendees over the next two years".  Again, maybe you don't realize that attendance WAS capped.  If attendance is capped again, as most seem to think, why are you assuming there would be attendee growth?

The attendance was capped, not curbed, which means that the increase in attendance vs last year was limited but there was still an increase. Also, now that people know that Gen Con can and will cap attendance more people will be motivated to buy their badges early which means more people will be in the housing lottery next year.There was demand beyond the cap this year. Attendance has been increasing for years, there is no reason to believe demand won't increase again next year. Even if there was a huge 50th anniversary spike this year there is no reason that demand won't be greater than 2016, and 2016 was also a mess. 
There is also no reason to believe that the cap won't increase next year. Even if it doesn't its presence this year will still cause a bigger rush next year on housing day.
attendance did not increase this year.  In 2015 the unique attendance was 61423 in 2016 it was 60819 this year the only number given was 60000+. Turnstile attendance is up which only shows more people buying multi day badges vs single day badges.  And in case you don’t know the difference between unique and turnstile here it is.  Me and my wife each have a 4 day badge we are 2 unique attendees but 8 turnstile attendees.

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Posted by braewe
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How did a thread cheering a new hotel turn into reduce attendance???

Back to topic, the picture says the hotel will be where the parking is, but the blurb said there would also be adjacent parking...where? That area doesn't look big enough for hotel plus parking...

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Posted by nascragman
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extra hotel space downtown is welcome.  One hotel isn't going to solve the problem though.  The demand exceeds the supply.  Both for badges and for hotels.  Basic economics tells you what happens next: prices rise.

With the expansion into Lucas Oil, it seemed like the current (apparently capped) number of attendees didn't feel oppressively crowded to me.  In fact, I believe there are still more halls in L.O. that were not used this year.  Food trucks have stepped up in the restaurant department so that seemed like it was covered.

So, the thing that is really needed is to make more remote hotels more usable.  And that's hard.

Shuttles would help.  So would lockers (but terrorism concerns probably contradict this).  I don't have an answer.

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