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Posted by indytechguy

I have never seen them enforce having a badge hardly any place but the dealer hall. You can walk through most other areas without a badge no problem.

I have seen Gen Con staff/volunteers come into the room and check that people at the tables have badges. It is rare though. I think I've only seen this twice since 2013 when I started running games. So you can walk through most areas true, but I do not think you're supposed to enter rooms and you're definitely not supposed to sit at a table without a badge. 

I guess I never pay much attention to the cosplayers. Should they be required to wear their badge in the "common" areas (ICC/hotel hallways) or after they pass checkpoints (vendor hall)? I could see how the badge would detract from their presentation. 

Posted by jmsetzer

I have seen them check at gaming tables, at the auction, and in seminars. I've had badge checks happen in a couple of painting classes I was in. My wife teaches fiber arts classes and she had badge checks in a couple of her classes last year. It seems much more common (anecdotally at least) in the last couple of years than in past years. Again, at least in our observation.

Posted by nialith austicke

austicke wrote:
nialith wrote:
ICC security or Gen Con people? 

The ones in the yellow shirts. Which ones are they? ICC?
[/forums/22-general-info-2017/topics/7971-ghosting?page=1#32363ined]As mentioned a million times, you don't have to have a badge to enter the ICC hallways so if someone was being removed, there was probably an issue aside from not having a badge.[/url]

Sorry, but you are incorrect. Gen Con requires badges for anyone to be within their venues. That includes the ICC hallways and even the hotel areas they rent.​They'll let you walk through to registration, but it's not allowed otherwise.
Now, do lots of people break that rules? Sure. It's only been loosely enforced, but it'll be interesting to see if enforcement picks up this year.
The people in yellow are the ICC security. To your second point, I'm afraid you are wrong (though if it's a policy, it is not enforced). I know first hand that they don't check badges in the main hallways. There is no sleeping in the halls and handing out unapproved fliers, or selling unapproved merchandise will result in you being asked to leave the premises but not having a badge will not. 

Posted by doombunny

I've seen cosplayers late at night at the con without badges. I assumed they were locals who were just happy to have an excuse to where their costume. Although one of them I did see the next day and he had a day pass then. I've also seen (what I assume to be) locals come in and roam the halls without badges in the early evening. Looked like they were just people watching. Gen Con's probably a sight to see for people who enjoy that.

Never really considered any of them to be problems, but who knows this year. Last year was really first year I noticed this other than the time with the drunken Colt's fans roaming the halls briefly. (Never been stopped so many times for photos since.)

Posted by austicke nialith

nialith wrote:To your second point, I'm afraid you are wrong (though if it's a policy, it is not enforced). I know first hand that they don't check badges in the main hallways.

Nope, badges are required everywhere within Gen Con venues. That is indeed the policy (as you can see on this very web site), but it's only been loosely enforced. As I mentioned, I've even seen security remove someone from the ICC hallways for not having a badge.

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Posted by bith

I can't remember a GenCon in my 17 years attending where I *didn't* see them check at least some tables in the same room as me.  Sometimes even checking me (which is fair - I frequently keep my badge in my pocket).

I always recall a time when several people used a counterfeit badge under the name "Vince McMahon".  They all* got caught, and someone official tried to blame Comic Images (makers of the WWE tcg "Raw Deal"). 

*Technically I can't say they all got caught.  But several of them did.

Posted by monkeyknifefight

I hope they lock down the entire convention center with badge checks at the convention center door since badges are sold out this year. Only allow limited access into the will call area for unbadged folks.

Posted by bith monkeyknifefight

monkeyknifefight wrote:
I hope they lock down the entire convention center with badge checks at the convention center door since badges are sold out this year. Only allow limited access into the will call area for unbadged folks.

The hallways will, as always, be open during the day because they are general public pathways.

keep in mind, people unassociated with GenCon will be staying at the hotels (although not many).  People unassociated with GenCon will need access to the convention center office for various reasons. 

Posted by austicke bith

bithlord wrote:The hallways will, as always, be open during the day because they are general public pathways.

No, they're not. A Gen Con badge is required to be within Gen Con venues during Gen Con.

It may have been laxly enforced in the past (and probably will be the same this year), but your statement is factually incorrect.

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Posted by brooks

http://www.gencon.com/attend/policies

Badge CredentialsEveryone (excluding children eight (8) and under) attending Gen Con must wear a valid badge for identification while in the convention center and surrounding hotels and during game play/events. A badge is required to purchase event tickets and allows the bearer access to the Exhibit Hall, Art Show, Anime events, seminars and other events happening in public areas during one or more days of the convention. Badges must be visible at all times to assure staff and security of your eligibility to participate in the convention.

While I may be reading this incorrectly, it seems that badges are only required during game play/events and in specific areas (i.e. Exhibits Hall, Art Show, etc.) 
 

Posted by austicke brooks

brooks wrote:While I may be reading this incorrectly, it seems that badges are only required during game play/events and in specific areas (i.e. Exhibits Hall, Art Show, etc.)

Yes, you are. The policy states that badges are required for everyone attending Gen Con while in the convention center. And surrounding hotels. And during events.

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Posted by brooks austicke

austicke wrote:
brooks wrote:While I may be reading this incorrectly, it seems that badges are only required during game play/events and in specific areas (i.e. Exhibits Hall, Art Show, etc.)

Yes, you are. The policy states that badges are required for everyone attending Gen Con while in the convention center. And surrounding hotels. And during events.____________________________________________________
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I stand corrected.

However it also states "Everyone attending Gen Con." I don't want to get down into the weeds too much on this, but if you're not attending Gen Con that policy obviously doesn't preclude you from using public areas of hotels and the convention center. I have no idea if the ICC hallways are considered space available to the general public, but if I'm not attending the convention and staying at the Westin, clearly I don't need to be wearing a badge to wander about the hotel.

 

Posted by garhkal ytuni

clscadden87 wrote:From what I've gathered on the Gen Con Indy facebook page, it's when non-badge holders go to the con anyways. These people are 'saying' that they'd only be in public areas trying to get pick-up games and just enjoying the experience. There are many issues with this, one being them trying to get into areas they shouldn't. It'll also make the 'public areas' even more crowded and a nightmare to get through. If this becomes a common occurrence Gen Con will have to step up security, which will make getting around a nightmare....just not good all in all.

AH..  Thanks.  I've seen it on RARE occasion over the many years i have attended, but its just been people wandering the halls, not actually trying to get into events...
indytechguy wrote:
As a GM, I believe I am not allowed to let people sit in a chair at my tables if they do not have a badge. I mean, they are not giving me a ticket to play, they just want to sit and watch. They have to have a badge to do this.

That's true, as a DM you are obligated to check and verify badges, but i have caught myself on occasion, FORGETTING to do that...
With the Con being sold out for 4 day badges, i can certainly SEE them being more hot on enforcement..

 

Posted by stiehle

It does say 'while in the convention center and surrounding hotels and during game play/events', not only during game play/events.  Likewise, there's also that 'and' after the specific areas noted that seems to include all public areas during the days of the convention.

That said, it will be interesting to see if staff comes down a bit harder on those without a badge, since this is the first year they've sold out (or likely will, at least - since there are still some one days available at the moment).

Because of safety issues, I'd imagine they'd almost have to do so.

Posted by njseahawksfan stiehle

stiehle wrote:
It does say 'while in the convention center and surrounding hotels and during game play/events', not only during game play/events.  Likewise, there's also that 'and' after the specific areas noted that seems to include all public areas during the days of the convention.
That said, it will be interesting to see if staff comes down a bit harder on those without a badge, since this is the first year they've sold out (or likely will, at least - since there are still some one days available at the moment).
Because of safety issues, I'd imagine they'd almost have to do so.

I would imagine that people actively moving through the areas that the general public has access to would be able to do so without much of a hassle.  That said, I would expect that people "hanging out" without visible passes might be subject to a gentle "move along".

Posted by austicke brooks

brooks wrote:However it also states "Everyone attending Gen Con." I don't want to get down into the weeds too much on this, but if you're not attending Gen Con that policy obviously doesn't preclude you from using public areas of hotels and the convention center. I have no idea if the ICC hallways are considered space available to the general public, but if I'm not attending the convention and staying at the Westin, clearly I don't need to be wearing a badge to wander about the hotel.

Yeah, the language can could be parsed in different ways, but Gen Con has been clear in clarifying that badges are required in any of their venues. I'd like to see a guy in a Deadpool costume argue that he's "not attending Gen Con" and only walking through the public areas.

ICC security didn't seem convinced by that argument being made by the woman I saw removed. However, they did offer to escort her when she then said she was just heading to registration to buy a badge. That won't be an option this year.

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Posted by deltafox65

Posted by nialith austicke

austicke wrote:
bithlord wrote:The hallways will, as always, be open during the day because they are general public pathways.

No, they're not. A Gen Con badge is required to be within Gen Con venues during Gen Con.It may have been laxly enforced in the past (and probably will be the same this year), but your statement is factually incorrect.
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That's why I added my disclaimer about not enforcing it. :-) However, I saw a post on the Indy Gen Con FB page that showed the ICC hallways are considered public space? There was a screenshot of the ICC policies. I'll be interested to see if they tell us to do anything different this year in regards to the open areas. I suspect it won't change though. 

Posted by nialith austicke

austicke wrote:
brooks wrote:However it also states "Everyone attending Gen Con." I don't want to get down into the weeds too much on this, but if you're not attending Gen Con that policy obviously doesn't preclude you from using public areas of hotels and the convention center. I have no idea if the ICC hallways are considered space available to the general public, but if I'm not attending the convention and staying at the Westin, clearly I don't need to be wearing a badge to wander about the hotel.

Yeah, the language can could be parsed in different ways, but Gen Con has been clear in clarifying that badges are required in any of their venues. I'd like to see a guy in a Deadpool costume argue that he's "not attending Gen Con" and only walking through the public areas.ICC security didn't seem convinced by that argument being made by the woman I saw removed. However, they did offer to escort her when she then said she was just heading to registration to buy a badge. That won't be an option this year.
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Also, could you provide your source on the part of your comment I bolded? That appears to be pure speculation on your part. You were absolutely correct about Gen Con's policy and I'm happy to admit that but it does seem to run against the policies of the ICC facility. 

"NOTE: The ICCLOS is a public facility and therefore the lobby areas must remain available and unobstructed for public ingress/egress at all times." Note the words 'public facility'. You can find that in Section 2.1 here: https://www.icclos.com/pdf/ICCLOSFacilityGuide.pdf 

There was speculation that if Gen Con rented out the whole space, it might change that but as none of us have the contract in hand, we can only guess at this point. We will all find out in about a month though!

Posted by braewe

Well, they did say no badges available for purchase on site, but...you still have to walk over to will call to get your things...and in my case, hunt down my EO to get my gm badge. Yes, I'm picking mine up on wednesday when it's all fair game, but not everyone will.

I would assume that main long hallway in front of will call is open completely. So I guess you could watch the costume parade. 'I'm waiting for an opening to get to will call, honest!'

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