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Posted by squirecam ryanjamison
#401

ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
There are others. Dallas, for example has:

  • 2,000,000 Total Square Feet
  • 4,000 hotel rooms within walking distance, including 1,100 at the adjacent Omni Dallas Hotel
  • 4 new restaurants
  • Onsite DART rail station with covered access to the convention center
  • Free shuttle bus (DART D-Link, Route 722) to Downtown, Arts District, Uptown, The Cedars, Bishop Arts District, Victory Park, and the West End

So, even though the adjacent room numbers are less, the direct access with rail and shuttles makes it more convenient for everyone else not directly adjacent to the con.There ARE options. If people simply cared enough to look.

That's all well and good until you realize that fewer adjacent hotel rooms means that the transportation system gets overloaded with a larger convention, thus cancelling the theoretical convenience. You also then have to consider how much less space that gives Gencon, as it's already spilled into adjacent hotel conference centers, and an NFL stadium.
The transportation system does NOT get overloaded because it was specifically designed to move masses of people to and from the convention center to hotels. Which is why they have light rail, shuttles etc in the first place.

 

Posted by njseahawksfan ryanjamison
#402

ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:Because the Indianapolis 500 or a superbowl are not multi-day events like Gencon which requires walking/costumes/luggage.

It should be pointed out that the Indy 500 is a multi-day event. Carb Day (Friday) of 500 Week gets higher attendance than GenCon, by tens of thousands of people.
As is the Super Bowl.  The day of the event are the most well attended for sure, but both of these events have tens of thousands of people who participate for longer than one day.

Posted by njseahawksfan
#403

There is no housing shortage or lack of hotel space for the convention.  GenCon has sold out and there are still rooms available in the housing portal.  Ergo, there is no shortage of hotel space.  There may be a lack of rooms in the preferred location (downtown/walkable distance) but that is a totally different issue and one that is not likely to be addressed anytime soon.  http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/08/21/can-indy-support-more-hotels/88992642/

 

Posted by roganca squirecam
#404

squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
There are others. Dallas, for example has:

  • 2,000,000 Total Square Feet
  • 4,000 hotel rooms within walking distance, including 1,100 at the adjacent Omni Dallas Hotel
  • 4 new restaurants
  • Onsite DART rail station with covered access to the convention center
  • Free shuttle bus (DART D-Link, Route 722) to Downtown, Arts District, Uptown, The Cedars, Bishop Arts District, Victory Park, and the West End

So, even though the adjacent room numbers are less, the direct access with rail and shuttles makes it more convenient for everyone else not directly adjacent to the con.There ARE options. If people simply cared enough to look.


That's all well and good until you realize that fewer adjacent hotel rooms means that the transportation system gets overloaded with a larger convention, thus cancelling the theoretical convenience. You also then have to consider how much less space that gives Gencon, as it's already spilled into adjacent hotel conference centers, and an NFL stadium.
The transportation system does NOT get overloaded because it was specifically designed to move masses of people to and from the convention center to hotels. Which is why they have light rail, shuttles etc in the first place. 
That's true, transportation systems never get overloaded. It doesn't matter if the Olympics come to town. Public transport NEVER DISAPPOINTS ANYONE.

Posted by nialith njseahawksfan
#405

njseahawksfan wrote:
There is no housing shortage or lack of hotel space for the convention.  GenCon has sold out and there are still rooms available in the housing portal.  Ergo, there is no shortage of hotel space.  There may be a lack of rooms in the preferred location (downtown/walkable distance) but that is a totally different issue and one that is not likely to be addressed anytime soon.  http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/08/21/can-indy-support-more-hotels/88992642/
 

Nailed it. There are over 100k rooms available in just a few square miles so no shortage of rooms. Now is there a problem moving people to and from all those rooms...absolutely.

Posted by squirecam roganca
#406

roganca wrote:
squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
There are others. Dallas, for example has:

  • 2,000,000 Total Square Feet
  • 4,000 hotel rooms within walking distance, including 1,100 at the adjacent Omni Dallas Hotel
  • 4 new restaurants
  • Onsite DART rail station with covered access to the convention center
  • Free shuttle bus (DART D-Link, Route 722) to Downtown, Arts District, Uptown, The Cedars, Bishop Arts District, Victory Park, and the West End

So, even though the adjacent room numbers are less, the direct access with rail and shuttles makes it more convenient for everyone else not directly adjacent to the con.There ARE options. If people simply cared enough to look.

That's all well and good until you realize that fewer adjacent hotel rooms means that the transportation system gets overloaded with a larger convention, thus cancelling the theoretical convenience. You also then have to consider how much less space that gives Gencon, as it's already spilled into adjacent hotel conference centers, and an NFL stadium.
The transportation system does NOT get overloaded because it was specifically designed to move masses of people to and from the convention center to hotels. Which is why they have light rail, shuttles etc in the first place. 
That's true, transportation systems never get overloaded. It doesn't matter if the Olympics come to town. Public transport NEVER DISAPPOINTS ANYONE.
I don't see your point. A theoretical issue that likely won't arise is somehow worse than a multi year issue which is getting worse?

top convention cities have reliable public transport convention attendees can rely on. Indy does not.

Posted by squirecam nialith
#407

nialith wrote:
njseahawksfan wrote:
There is no housing shortage or lack of hotel space for the convention.  GenCon has sold out and there are still rooms available in the housing portal.  Ergo, there is no shortage of hotel space.  There may be a lack of rooms in the preferred location (downtown/walkable distance) but that is a totally different issue and one that is not likely to be addressed anytime soon.  http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/08/21/can-indy-support-more-hotels/88992642/

Nailed it. There are over 100k rooms available in just a few square miles so no shortage of rooms. Now is there a problem moving people to and from all those rooms...absolutely.
right. And other cities have light rail to get attendees there. I'd have no problem staying at the airport or outside downtown if they had light rail direct to the convention center.
 

Posted by rhone1
#408

You would only take "light rail"?  Why not uber or take a cab/bus/rent a car?  

Posted by squirecam rhone1
#409

rhone1 wrote:
You would only take "light rail"?  Why not uber or take a cab/bus/rent a car?  
Uber has surge pricing, which I dont believe in.

Renting a car defeats the purpose. I already fly in. Now I need to rent a car and pay for parking on something I will hardly use?

Cabs are ok if you are not waiting. Many times you are.  I want a set schedule so when I'm ready to go, I know when the transport is expected. Public transport does all of that and its cheaper.

And why should I have to compromise? Any city wanting to be a top convention hub has solid public transportation options.
 

Posted by ryanjamison squirecam
#410

squirecam wrote:
roganca wrote:
squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
There are others. Dallas, for example has:

  • 2,000,000 Total Square Feet
  • 4,000 hotel rooms within walking distance, including 1,100 at the adjacent Omni Dallas Hotel
  • 4 new restaurants
  • Onsite DART rail station with covered access to the convention center
  • Free shuttle bus (DART D-Link, Route 722) to Downtown, Arts District, Uptown, The Cedars, Bishop Arts District, Victory Park, and the West End

So, even though the adjacent room numbers are less, the direct access with rail and shuttles makes it more convenient for everyone else not directly adjacent to the con.There ARE options. If people simply cared enough to look.


That's all well and good until you realize that fewer adjacent hotel rooms means that the transportation system gets overloaded with a larger convention, thus cancelling the theoretical convenience. You also then have to consider how much less space that gives Gencon, as it's already spilled into adjacent hotel conference centers, and an NFL stadium.
The transportation system does NOT get overloaded because it was specifically designed to move masses of people to and from the convention center to hotels. Which is why they have light rail, shuttles etc in the first place. 
That's true, transportation systems never get overloaded. It doesn't matter if the Olympics come to town. Public transport NEVER DISAPPOINTS ANYONE.
I don't see your point. A theoretical issue that likely won't arise is somehow worse than a multi year issue which is getting worse?top convention cities have reliable public transport convention attendees can rely on. Indy does not.
Dallas doesn't solve the issue, though. Your 4,000 hotel rooms are within a 10 minute train ride. Indy has over 4000 within a 10 minute walk, at least half adjacent and even more outside that. And Dallas cuts the amount of actual convention space significantly. 

Posted by jm.spellslinger ryanjamison
#411

ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
roganca wrote:
squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
There are others. Dallas, for example has:

  • 2,000,000 Total Square Feet
  • 4,000 hotel rooms within walking distance, including 1,100 at the adjacent Omni Dallas Hotel
  • 4 new restaurants
  • Onsite DART rail station with covered access to the convention center
  • Free shuttle bus (DART D-Link, Route 722) to Downtown, Arts District, Uptown, The Cedars, Bishop Arts District, Victory Park, and the West End

So, even though the adjacent room numbers are less, the direct access with rail and shuttles makes it more convenient for everyone else not directly adjacent to the con.There ARE options. If people simply cared enough to look.

That's all well and good until you realize that fewer adjacent hotel rooms means that the transportation system gets overloaded with a larger convention, thus cancelling the theoretical convenience. You also then have to consider how much less space that gives Gencon, as it's already spilled into adjacent hotel conference centers, and an NFL stadium.
The transportation system does NOT get overloaded because it was specifically designed to move masses of people to and from the convention center to hotels. Which is why they have light rail, shuttles etc in the first place. 
That's true, transportation systems never get overloaded. It doesn't matter if the Olympics come to town. Public transport NEVER DISAPPOINTS ANYONE.
I don't see your point. A theoretical issue that likely won't arise is somehow worse than a multi year issue which is getting worse?top convention cities have reliable public transport convention attendees can rely on. Indy does not.
Dallas doesn't solve the issue, though. Your 4,000 hotel rooms are within a 10 minute train ride. Indy has over 4000 within a 10 minute walk, at least half adjacent and even more outside that. And Dallas cuts the amount of actual convention space significantly. 
yes, but it's CLOSE TO HIS HOUSE!!!

Posted by squirecam ryanjamison
#412

ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
roganca wrote:
squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
There are others. Dallas, for example has:

  • 2,000,000 Total Square Feet
  • 4,000 hotel rooms within walking distance, including 1,100 at the adjacent Omni Dallas Hotel
  • 4 new restaurants
  • Onsite DART rail station with covered access to the convention center
  • Free shuttle bus (DART D-Link, Route 722) to Downtown, Arts District, Uptown, The Cedars, Bishop Arts District, Victory Park, and the West End

So, even though the adjacent room numbers are less, the direct access with rail and shuttles makes it more convenient for everyone else not directly adjacent to the con.There ARE options. If people simply cared enough to look.

That's all well and good until you realize that fewer adjacent hotel rooms means that the transportation system gets overloaded with a larger convention, thus cancelling the theoretical convenience. You also then have to consider how much less space that gives Gencon, as it's already spilled into adjacent hotel conference centers, and an NFL stadium.
The transportation system does NOT get overloaded because it was specifically designed to move masses of people to and from the convention center to hotels. Which is why they have light rail, shuttles etc in the first place. 
That's true, transportation systems never get overloaded. It doesn't matter if the Olympics come to town. Public transport NEVER DISAPPOINTS ANYONE.
I don't see your point. A theoretical issue that likely won't arise is somehow worse than a multi year issue which is getting worse?top convention cities have reliable public transport convention attendees can rely on. Indy does not.
Dallas doesn't solve the issue, though. Your 4,000 hotel rooms are within a 10 minute train ride. Indy has over 4000 within a 10 minute walk, at least half adjacent and even more outside that. And Dallas cuts the amount of actual convention space significantly. 
Indy has 1.3 million so Dallas is larger space wise. And it has far more hotel rooms within a 10 minute ride. But why let facts get in the way, right?

Posted by ryanjamison squirecam
#413

squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
roganca wrote:
squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
There are others. Dallas, for example has:

  • 2,000,000 Total Square Feet
  • 4,000 hotel rooms within walking distance, including 1,100 at the adjacent Omni Dallas Hotel
  • 4 new restaurants
  • Onsite DART rail station with covered access to the convention center
  • Free shuttle bus (DART D-Link, Route 722) to Downtown, Arts District, Uptown, The Cedars, Bishop Arts District, Victory Park, and the West End

So, even though the adjacent room numbers are less, the direct access with rail and shuttles makes it more convenient for everyone else not directly adjacent to the con.There ARE options. If people simply cared enough to look.


That's all well and good until you realize that fewer adjacent hotel rooms means that the transportation system gets overloaded with a larger convention, thus cancelling the theoretical convenience. You also then have to consider how much less space that gives Gencon, as it's already spilled into adjacent hotel conference centers, and an NFL stadium.
The transportation system does NOT get overloaded because it was specifically designed to move masses of people to and from the convention center to hotels. Which is why they have light rail, shuttles etc in the first place. 
That's true, transportation systems never get overloaded. It doesn't matter if the Olympics come to town. Public transport NEVER DISAPPOINTS ANYONE.
I don't see your point. A theoretical issue that likely won't arise is somehow worse than a multi year issue which is getting worse?top convention cities have reliable public transport convention attendees can rely on. Indy does not.
Dallas doesn't solve the issue, though. Your 4,000 hotel rooms are within a 10 minute train ride. Indy has over 4000 within a 10 minute walk, at least half adjacent and even more outside that. And Dallas cuts the amount of actual convention space significantly. 
Indy has 1.3 million so Dallas is larger space wise. And it has far more hotel rooms within a 10 minute ride. But why let facts get in the way, right?
Just the ICC and Lucas Oil have 1.5m sq ft of space by themselves. Plus a dozen connected hotels and Bankers Life Field House. They add up to more than 2m in space.

You should check again how many of those 4000 hotel rooms are in walking distance. It looks like there's about 5 that would be a 10 min ride. Increase that ride to 20 mins and you're up to 10 hotels. By contrast, GenCon has 12 in the skywalk net and 25 in a 5 block radius. The number of hotels in downtown Dallas is an issue even if the DART isn't.

Posted by stahlnee
#414

I would love for it be in Dallas since it would be a short drive for me (20 miles). Dallas is the hub of two major airlines (American and Southwest)

But for those from up north or not use to the weather down here are you ready for 100 degree weather where it does not cool off until 3am?

Posted by squirecam ryanjamison
#415

ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
roganca wrote:
squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
There are others. Dallas, for example has:

  • 2,000,000 Total Square Feet
  • 4,000 hotel rooms within walking distance, including 1,100 at the adjacent Omni Dallas Hotel
  • 4 new restaurants
  • Onsite DART rail station with covered access to the convention center
  • Free shuttle bus (DART D-Link, Route 722) to Downtown, Arts District, Uptown, The Cedars, Bishop Arts District, Victory Park, and the West End

So, even though the adjacent room numbers are less, the direct access with rail and shuttles makes it more convenient for everyone else not directly adjacent to the con.There ARE options. If people simply cared enough to look.

That's all well and good until you realize that fewer adjacent hotel rooms means that the transportation system gets overloaded with a larger convention, thus cancelling the theoretical convenience. You also then have to consider how much less space that gives Gencon, as it's already spilled into adjacent hotel conference centers, and an NFL stadium.
The transportation system does NOT get overloaded because it was specifically designed to move masses of people to and from the convention center to hotels. Which is why they have light rail, shuttles etc in the first place. 
That's true, transportation systems never get overloaded. It doesn't matter if the Olympics come to town. Public transport NEVER DISAPPOINTS ANYONE.
I don't see your point. A theoretical issue that likely won't arise is somehow worse than a multi year issue which is getting worse?top convention cities have reliable public transport convention attendees can rely on. Indy does not.
Dallas doesn't solve the issue, though. Your 4,000 hotel rooms are within a 10 minute train ride. Indy has over 4000 within a 10 minute walk, at least half adjacent and even more outside that. And Dallas cuts the amount of actual convention space significantly. 
Indy has 1.3 million so Dallas is larger space wise. And it has far more hotel rooms within a 10 minute ride. But why let facts get in the way, right?
Just the ICC and Lucas Oil have 1.5m sq ft of space by themselves. Plus a dozen connected hotels and Bankers Life Field House. They add up to more than 2m in space.You should check again how many of those 4000 hotel rooms are in walking distance. It looks like there's about 5 that would be a 10 min ride. Increase that ride to 20 mins and you're up to 10 hotels. By contrast, GenCon has 12 in the skywalk net and 25 in a 5 block radius. The number of hotels in downtown Dallas is an issue even if the DART isn't.
you are not being fair. If you count Indy hotels then you must count Dallas hotel space too. And the 4000 rooms are walking distance. With thousands more within a short ride. Dallas has 77000 hotel rooms. It has great transportation and the city is a very viable alternative to Indy.

Posted by jm.spellslinger squirecam
#416

squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
roganca wrote:
squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
There are others. Dallas, for example has:

  • 2,000,000 Total Square Feet
  • 4,000 hotel rooms within walking distance, including 1,100 at the adjacent Omni Dallas Hotel
  • 4 new restaurants
  • Onsite DART rail station with covered access to the convention center
  • Free shuttle bus (DART D-Link, Route 722) to Downtown, Arts District, Uptown, The Cedars, Bishop Arts District, Victory Park, and the West End

So, even though the adjacent room numbers are less, the direct access with rail and shuttles makes it more convenient for everyone else not directly adjacent to the con.There ARE options. If people simply cared enough to look.


That's all well and good until you realize that fewer adjacent hotel rooms means that the transportation system gets overloaded with a larger convention, thus cancelling the theoretical convenience. You also then have to consider how much less space that gives Gencon, as it's already spilled into adjacent hotel conference centers, and an NFL stadium.
The transportation system does NOT get overloaded because it was specifically designed to move masses of people to and from the convention center to hotels. Which is why they have light rail, shuttles etc in the first place. 
That's true, transportation systems never get overloaded. It doesn't matter if the Olympics come to town. Public transport NEVER DISAPPOINTS ANYONE.
I don't see your point. A theoretical issue that likely won't arise is somehow worse than a multi year issue which is getting worse?top convention cities have reliable public transport convention attendees can rely on. Indy does not.
Dallas doesn't solve the issue, though. Your 4,000 hotel rooms are within a 10 minute train ride. Indy has over 4000 within a 10 minute walk, at least half adjacent and even more outside that. And Dallas cuts the amount of actual convention space significantly. 
Indy has 1.3 million so Dallas is larger space wise. And it has far more hotel rooms within a 10 minute ride. But why let facts get in the way, right?
Just the ICC and Lucas Oil have 1.5m sq ft of space by themselves. Plus a dozen connected hotels and Bankers Life Field House. They add up to more than 2m in space.You should check again how many of those 4000 hotel rooms are in walking distance. It looks like there's about 5 that would be a 10 min ride. Increase that ride to 20 mins and you're up to 10 hotels. By contrast, GenCon has 12 in the skywalk net and 25 in a 5 block radius. The number of hotels in downtown Dallas is an issue even if the DART isn't.
you are not being fair. If you count Indy hotels then you must count Dallas hotel space too. And the 4000 rooms are walking distance. With thousands more within a short ride. Dallas has 77000 hotel rooms. It has great transportation and the city is a very viable alternative to Indy.

But hotel space is not a problem for Indy. There are available hotels within 10 miles right now, and there have been throughout the entire registration process. The main issue for most people is downtown hotel space, and Indy surpasses Dallas in that regard. I also think that you "not believing" in Uber/Lyft is a personal issue that almost no one else has a problem with. Uber/Lyft have pretty much completely solved the Indy transportation issue. 

Posted by stiehle
#417

It comes down to GenCon doing what's fair for their entire fan base, not for individuals.  Personally, I'd love for GenCon to up and move to National Harbor, Md.  Lots of hotels, good places to eat, a large convention space, etc.  But the east coast means farther to travel for a lot of folks, and for every 'good thing' you can say about National Harbor, Indianapolis beats it in the number of hotels within easy walking distance and short drives as well.

I'm fair certain everyone would like to see GenCon move to a city near them for their own convenience, even if they're truly convinced that city would somehow be 'better' in some aspect.  But when you look at the whole picture, Indianapolis just makes sense.

Posted by squirecam jm.spellslinger
#418

jm.spellslinger wrote:
squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
roganca wrote:
squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
There are others. Dallas, for example has:

  • 2,000,000 Total Square Feet
  • 4,000 hotel rooms within walking distance, including 1,100 at the adjacent Omni Dallas Hotel
  • 4 new restaurants
  • Onsite DART rail station with covered access to the convention center
  • Free shuttle bus (DART D-Link, Route 722) to Downtown, Arts District, Uptown, The Cedars, Bishop Arts District, Victory Park, and the West End

So, even though the adjacent room numbers are less, the direct access with rail and shuttles makes it more convenient for everyone else not directly adjacent to the con.There ARE options. If people simply cared enough to look.

That's all well and good until you realize that fewer adjacent hotel rooms means that the transportation system gets overloaded with a larger convention, thus cancelling the theoretical convenience. You also then have to consider how much less space that gives Gencon, as it's already spilled into adjacent hotel conference centers, and an NFL stadium.
The transportation system does NOT get overloaded because it was specifically designed to move masses of people to and from the convention center to hotels. Which is why they have light rail, shuttles etc in the first place. 
That's true, transportation systems never get overloaded. It doesn't matter if the Olympics come to town. Public transport NEVER DISAPPOINTS ANYONE.
I don't see your point. A theoretical issue that likely won't arise is somehow worse than a multi year issue which is getting worse?top convention cities have reliable public transport convention attendees can rely on. Indy does not.
Dallas doesn't solve the issue, though. Your 4,000 hotel rooms are within a 10 minute train ride. Indy has over 4000 within a 10 minute walk, at least half adjacent and even more outside that. And Dallas cuts the amount of actual convention space significantly. 
Indy has 1.3 million so Dallas is larger space wise. And it has far more hotel rooms within a 10 minute ride. But why let facts get in the way, right?
Just the ICC and Lucas Oil have 1.5m sq ft of space by themselves. Plus a dozen connected hotels and Bankers Life Field House. They add up to more than 2m in space.You should check again how many of those 4000 hotel rooms are in walking distance. It looks like there's about 5 that would be a 10 min ride. Increase that ride to 20 mins and you're up to 10 hotels. By contrast, GenCon has 12 in the skywalk net and 25 in a 5 block radius. The number of hotels in downtown Dallas is an issue even if the DART isn't.
you are not being fair. If you count Indy hotels then you must count Dallas hotel space too. And the 4000 rooms are walking distance. With thousands more within a short ride. Dallas has 77000 hotel rooms. It has great transportation and the city is a very viable alternative to Indy.

But hotel space is not a problem for Indy. There are available hotels within 10 miles right now, and there have been throughout the entire registration process. The main issue for most people is downtown hotel space, and Indy surpasses Dallas in that regard. I also think that you "not believing" in Uber/Lyft is a personal issue that almost no one else has a problem with. Uber/Lyft have pretty much completely solved the Indy transportation issue. 
No, Uber has not completely solved the transportation issue. It is this kind of nonsense that stops reasonable measures from being implemented.

If you have four to 6 people staying at a hotel on different schedules, then that is 4-6 times Uber surge pricing two trips for 4 days. Not very convenient or cost effective.

EVERY TOP CONVENTION CITY HAS EASY AND RELIABLE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION TO THEIR CONVENTION CENTER.

Indy does not. Nor does anyone seem interested in building it. That is a problem.

Posted by ryanjamison squirecam
#419

squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
roganca wrote:
squirecam wrote:
ryanjamison wrote:
squirecam wrote:
There are others. Dallas, for example has:

  • 2,000,000 Total Square Feet
  • 4,000 hotel rooms within walking distance, including 1,100 at the adjacent Omni Dallas Hotel
  • 4 new restaurants
  • Onsite DART rail station with covered access to the convention center
  • Free shuttle bus (DART D-Link, Route 722) to Downtown, Arts District, Uptown, The Cedars, Bishop Arts District, Victory Park, and the West End

So, even though the adjacent room numbers are less, the direct access with rail and shuttles makes it more convenient for everyone else not directly adjacent to the con.There ARE options. If people simply cared enough to look.


That's all well and good until you realize that fewer adjacent hotel rooms means that the transportation system gets overloaded with a larger convention, thus cancelling the theoretical convenience. You also then have to consider how much less space that gives Gencon, as it's already spilled into adjacent hotel conference centers, and an NFL stadium.
The transportation system does NOT get overloaded because it was specifically designed to move masses of people to and from the convention center to hotels. Which is why they have light rail, shuttles etc in the first place. 
That's true, transportation systems never get overloaded. It doesn't matter if the Olympics come to town. Public transport NEVER DISAPPOINTS ANYONE.
I don't see your point. A theoretical issue that likely won't arise is somehow worse than a multi year issue which is getting worse?top convention cities have reliable public transport convention attendees can rely on. Indy does not.
Dallas doesn't solve the issue, though. Your 4,000 hotel rooms are within a 10 minute train ride. Indy has over 4000 within a 10 minute walk, at least half adjacent and even more outside that. And Dallas cuts the amount of actual convention space significantly. 
Indy has 1.3 million so Dallas is larger space wise. And it has far more hotel rooms within a 10 minute ride. But why let facts get in the way, right?
Just the ICC and Lucas Oil have 1.5m sq ft of space by themselves. Plus a dozen connected hotels and Bankers Life Field House. They add up to more than 2m in space.You should check again how many of those 4000 hotel rooms are in walking distance. It looks like there's about 5 that would be a 10 min ride. Increase that ride to 20 mins and you're up to 10 hotels. By contrast, GenCon has 12 in the skywalk net and 25 in a 5 block radius. The number of hotels in downtown Dallas is an issue even if the DART isn't.
you are not being fair. If you count Indy hotels then you must count Dallas hotel space too. And the 4000 rooms are walking distance. With thousands more within a short ride. Dallas has 77000 hotel rooms. It has great transportation and the city is a very viable alternative to Indy.
The entire point of the DART system, as discussed earlier, is that the hotels in Dallas aren't near the convention center. I'm just including the hotel space that is literally connected to the ICC by skywalk. That's not the same thing as waiting for a 20 minute bus/tram ride, and you aren't convincing anyone by pretending that it is.

Indy has less interest in public transportation because their hotels have no where near the amount of sprawl as places like Dallas. Again, look at where the hotels are in that city and realize that there's a real proximity advantage to where the ICC is located in relation to Indy hotels.

 

Posted by stiehle squirecam
#420

EVERY TOP CONVENTION CITY HAS EASY AND RELIABLE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION TO THEIR CONVENTION CENTER.

Because CAPS makes any statement a fact...

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