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Posted by adcjones choriqueso

Considering Diamond just cancelled their big retailer event and E3 has cancelled their June event, I thinks it bodes ill for GenCon!

Posted by loncray

I agree that Gen Con needs to put up a general information page on this issue.  As noted, E3 was just cancelled (along with SXSW and other large events) so the issue (if not the panic) is a valid one.

Posted by squirecam lehane

lehane wrote:
squirecam wrote:
brotherbock wrote:
rayken wrote:
E3 was just cancelled. 
I don't think the media is stirring up "Fear and Panic." I think the media is letting people know people are dying from a deadly virus and it's spreading like wildifre throughout Europe and now the US. 
I love how people are trying to say it's most deadly among older people - like that makes any difference. I don't care who it is deadly for. It is deadly to humans. 
"GenCon still a long way off." It doesn't matter. The virus is not about to suddenly stop growing in a months time which is why E3 which occurs in June has been canceled now. 
Stop comparing this to Influenza. This is not Influenza.
This is a brand new virus that kills in much higher rates than the seasonal flu.
People die every year from car crashes. That's about how related this is to Influenza. Just because it's also something people die from doesn't mean it's relevant. 
People also die every year from eating bad food and food poisoning. Should that also be compared to Coronavirus? 
Do you not know what happened when the Spanish Influenza hit? The pandemic it caused? Did you guys go "Oh it was just the flu!" then too? It's just like the flu! If anything that's really bad. Look up the stats in the 1920s. 
It's just sickening to also see people trying to post that because it kills 60-70 year olds it's not that dangerous for other ages. So if you get it and carry it and infect an older person by chance... Then what?
Obviously a group of you have vastly different opinions on this so I will stop posting here. Hopefully things slow down for you guys so you can enjoy your convention at this rate I will not be going regardless. 

Yes. I have the opinion that untrained people should not be posting statistics they calculated themselves online and proclaiming them as fact.

I am using the statistics of the FDA expert. The one published by USA Today. He isn’t an anonymous online poster. He is a licensed and trained medical physician.This is no time to minimize what is going on. I get that people care about themselves and don’t want Gencon cancelled. But this isn’t a made up story. There is a concerted effort to portray this as the common flu. It’s not.
It is time to wait and let the trained experts do their work. Hotel cancellations policies aren't binding and the Hotel can alter them in the case of emergency. And they will alter them if there is an issue with the virus at the proper time. The deposits for the Hotel lottery haven't even been paid yet. That is still 3 months away.
Airlines can make exceptions as well for this. 
Gencon is still months away and no need to rush any decision. Emerald City Comicon just proved something as large as Gencon can be postponed or cancelled just a few weeks before the event. It is much easier to postpone or cancel a large con that it is to get one up and running again. 
Have the casinos in Vegas closed their doors? I mean right now today? Or are they still letting people go from slot machine to slot machine without wiping down the machines. Touching and handling dice and chips clustered together at a table. At peak times aren't they like being at a convention?
The MGM casinos are going to close their buffets. Not that it means much if the casinos are open.

Yes, I think if you are older and have preexisting issues, You shouldn't be gambling in a smokey casino where the virus is going to thrive. 

But people aren't listening to me here. i dont have the mayor's ear either. 

Posted by yog-sothoth in jersey

I like turtles.

Posted by dwe113 yog-sothoth in jersey

well....huh....you've convinced me!

Posted by cmegus

“ I love how people are trying to say it's most deadly among older people - like that makes any difference. I don't care who it is deadly for. It is deadly to humans. “

Actually, and this is still unexplainable even to doctors is that there has actually been virtually ZERO reports of anyone under the age of 11 getting C-19. Google it...

So this statement about being deadly to humans may not be entirely accurate.

G
 

Posted by lehane squirecam

loncray wrote:
I agree that Gen Con needs to put up a general information page on this issue.  As noted, E3 was just cancelled (along with SXSW and other large events) so the issue (if not the panic) is a valid one.
No one is disputing the validity of the issue. Just the Validity of making a decision now instead of 4 months down the road. 

I have noted the Emerald City Comicon postponed but Planet Comicon in Kansas City is still on for March 20th-22nd. They also have part of the NCAA Tournament there at the same time if I am not mistaken. 

squirecam wrote:The MGM casinos are going to close their buffets. Not that it means much if the casinos are open.Yes, I think if you are older and have preexisting issues, You shouldn't be gambling in a smokey casino where the virus is going to thrive. 
But people aren't listening to me here. i dont have the mayor's ear either. 

To be honest he won't be the mayor for long if he shuts the town's economy down without the means to keep the power on, services working, and food supplied there while people can't work cause the town depends on tourism.

We are going to have to handle this case by case, event by event. Several industries and towns are already in for a wretched year. So if they close the Casinos and shows for the next year how do you see things going for Vegas?

Posted by squirecam lehane

lehane wrote:
loncray wrote:
I agree that Gen Con needs to put up a general information page on this issue.  As noted, E3 was just cancelled (along with SXSW and other large events) so the issue (if not the panic) is a valid one.
No one is disputing the validity of the issue. Just the Validity of making a decision now instead of 4 months down the road. I have noted the Emerald City Comicon postponed but Planet Comicon in Kansas City is still on for March 20th-22nd. They also have part of the NCAA Tournament there at the same time if I am not mistaken. 
squirecam wrote:The MGM casinos are going to close their buffets. Not that it means much if the casinos are open.Yes, I think if you are older and have preexisting issues, You shouldn't be gambling in a smokey casino where the virus is going to thrive. 
But people aren't listening to me here. i dont have the mayor's ear either. 

To be honest he won't be the mayor for long if he shuts the town's economy down without the means to keep the power on, services working, and food supplied there while people can't work cause the town depends on tourism.We are going to have to handle this case by case, event by event. Several industries and towns are already in for a wretched year. So if they close the Casinos and shows for the next year how do you see things going for Vegas?
Well, she was on record as not liking the buffet closures. Frankly, I think she’s wrong. The casino floors will not close. But tourism is going to take a big hit. But I don’t really care. If you have to shut down areas, whether it’s wuhan or Seattle or New York to save lives, then you do it. 

The NCAA will have games without fans. So obviously some entities are taking it seriously and want to protect people.

We have a lot of seniors that love to play slots. They need to heed warnings and stay home.

 

Posted by cmegus

A virus for the ages, for sure.

Anyone other than me find this very intriguing?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/10/coronavirus-is-mysteriously-sparing-kids-killing-elderly-understanding-why-may-help-defeat-virus/

”In China, only 2.4 percent of reported cases were children and only 0.2 percent of reported cases were children who got critically ill, according to the World Health Organization. China has reported no case of a young child dying of the disease covid-19.”

In the US, not a single case of a child under 12 infected.

Things that make you go, hmmmm.

G

 

Posted by quarex

They have finally done it.  The Children of the Corn finally perfected their techniques.

Posted by cmegus

Either that or Lord of the Flies prediction is coming true...

Oh boy....

G

Posted by chaoticneutral262

The number of confirmed cases is growing exponentially now, doubling every 2-3 days.  There are about 1300 in the US right now, up from 700 a couple days ago, and 300 a few days before that.

If that exponential growth continues, there will be millions of cases in the US some time during May, and the infection will have saturated the population some time in June, at which the number of new cases will fall significantly as there are fewer and fewer new people to infect.

Alternatively, perhaps we follow a path like South Korea, which has started to bend the exponential growth curve to be flat.  That would require a couple months of fairly draconian steps, like shutting down almost everything.

Either way, there is a chance this is behind us before the end of July.  Hopefully the light at the end of the tunnel is visible by the time the go/no-go decision gets made.

Posted by kadasbrass

I've had a lot of time to think about this over the last few days, not just about Gencon but all the conventions I planned to attend this year.  I'm currently off work, not because I've been infected but because close family has been infected with more family members quarantine and that was enough for my own employer to freak out and send me home while they decide how their suppose to respond to this.  My own local health board declared me unexposed and safe to return but off I remain.

It doesn't matter what steps you take to prevent the spread of the disease, just being within 6 feet of someone sick is enough to be exposed to it.  Here let me quote the CDC itself 

"The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.


  • Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).
  • Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes.

These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs."

You can learn more here:  https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/transmission.html

Now I'm a rational person.  I understand this virus is going to most likely going to affect large part of the population at some time and that people are going to die and there is little we can do to prevent it from spreading.  But that doesn't mean we can't slow the spread down so that we don't overwhelm the healthcare system which will result in more people dying instead of less.

So having thought about it, I've decided the best step I can take to protect the people I love most and those I work with and my community in general I can look at the 2 places I'm most likely to be exposed to the virus (GenCon and Who Yer Con) and go 'maybe not this year.'  Maybe next year when I have an extra week of vacation I'll try and add another convention like Origins.  Besides I really don't want to be caught somewhere else if a pandemic breaks out.

Odds are some people going to Gencon will be infected.  They're not going cause their careless or being defiant.  Their going cause they geunually didn't know they were infected until Friday afternoon when their lungs start filling up and their having a hard time breathing and start coughing.  At first they will just shrug it off maybe take a few cough drops but come Saturday morning their being rushed to the hospital by their buddies who are trying to find the nearest place on their phone.  In the mean time who knows how many people were exposed.

I love going to Gencon, it is the best time of the year for me and one of the few times I can sit down and play a game with my friends without one of us being the GM.  But with everything going on its an ordeal I rather not deal with.  The odds of me being exposed while there would be very low but the odds of someone going that turns out to be sick is very high.  Heck I could be exposed before going and be the one spreading it and I rather not be in a strange place when getting sick.  Heck it sounds like my own family been exposed to the coronavirus from someone attending a trade show in another state for work.  It hurts to say so but I decided the best course of action for myself is not to go this year. 

Edited: Format with quote fixed.

Posted by donaldbain

Any speculation before July is premature and basically pointless.  See how the Fourth of July events play out, then panic.

Posted by jelake lbxzero

lbxzero wrote:
My 2 cents on this subject in general:
I feel the staff should have an info page on basic hygiene and communicatible diseases.  Namely, it serves as a public service announcement.  Contagious diseases are a common part of society in general.  That is how we should be treating this coronavirus outbreak.  This is a part of every day life.  COVID-19 should not be getting any special treatment over the Flu.
My position on these diseases and mortality rates is that it is a general number that discards important information like the conditions around the people who die.  I will tell you that the common people at highest risk of mortality of any disease are people who are malnurished.
If there is a page on hygiene and such as I have described, I am not finding it on the website.
It's not the Spanish flu but it's definitely not in the same category of the flu.  Currently 3.4% mortality rate, flu is 0.1%  i  wouldn't want to risk it if I didn't have to.  Who knows what permanent effects contracting it can have on your lifetime.

Posted by squirecam chaoticneutral262

F chaoticneutral262 wrote:
The number of confirmed cases is growing exponentially now, doubling every 2-3 days.  There are about 1300 in the US right now, up from 700 a couple days ago, and 300 a few days before that.
If that exponential growth continues, there will be millions of cases in the US some time during May, and the infection will have saturated the population some time in June, at which the number of new cases will fall significantly as there are fewer and fewer new people to infect.
Alternatively, perhaps we follow a path like South Korea, which has started to bend the exponential growth curve to be flat.  That would require a couple months of fairly draconian steps, like shutting down almost everything.
Either way, there is a chance this is behind us before the end of July.  Hopefully the light at the end of the tunnel is visible by the time the go/no-go decision gets made.
If we have millions of cases in June, we’ve got more serious problems. There would be no Gencon in that instance. And it wouldn’t be over in July. You can get reinfected.

https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-risk-of-reinfection-2020-2

Posted by pinheadjo

After first reporting the March madness will be to empty arenas, the NBA decided to suspend season due to corona virus? A player tested positive earlier today, so at midnight the season is suspended. Never seen anything like this before.
except...
"Baby can you dig your man?"

Posted by squirecam

The NBA just suspended its season.

Posted by hahnarama pinheadjo

pinheadjo wrote:
"Baby can you dig your man?"
You officially win the internet tonight!

By the way he's a righteous man

Posted by rayken

NBA Canceled. 

GenCon's statement is needed. Again, for my money, there's no way they can put on an event with 100,000 people in close proximity for 4 days.

Almost 1,000 dead in Italy...

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