May Health and Safety update.
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Posted by sovietprince

I am getting optimistic that things will be close to normal come sept, :)

Posted by kd8esu sovietprince

sovietprince wrote:
I am getting optimistic that things will be close to normal come sept, :)
I am holding to the idea that even if everything else will be back to normal by the time the Gathering of the Nerds happens, because of logistical and time issues (and the Colts having a home game that weekend taking up Lucas Oil Stadium), this will not be a full 60,000+ Con this year with all the major things we normally see.
Also, with Winter setting into the Southern Hemisphere, no one knows what it'll look like with that; nor, for that matter, how international travel will work.

Just because things may go completely back to normal in 103 days from now doesn't mean Gen Con will be normal; we know a few reasons why it can't, already.

Posted by sovietprince kd8esu

kd8esu wrote:
sovietprince wrote:
I am getting optimistic that things will be close to normal come sept, :)
I am holding to the idea that even if everything else will be back to normal by the time the Gathering of the Nerds happens, because of logistical and time issues (and the Colts having a home game that weekend taking up Lucas Oil Stadium), this will not be a full 60,000+ Con this year with all the major things we normally see.
Also, with Winter setting into the Southern Hemisphere, no one knows what it'll look like with that; nor, for that matter, how international travel will work.Just because things may go completely back to normal in 103 days from now doesn't mean Gen Con will be normal; we know a few reasons why it can't, already.
I don't see any reason to not accommodate a lot more by sept, esp while a lot of other events are going 100 like the colts are.  

Posted by traveller sovietprince

sovietprince wrote:
kd8esu wrote:
sovietprince wrote:
I am getting optimistic that things will be close to normal come sept, :)
I am holding to the idea that even if everything else will be back to normal by the time the Gathering of the Nerds happens, because of logistical and time issues (and the Colts having a home game that weekend taking up Lucas Oil Stadium), this will not be a full 60,000+ Con this year with all the major things we normally see.
Also, with Winter setting into the Southern Hemisphere, no one knows what it'll look like with that; nor, for that matter, how international travel will work.Just because things may go completely back to normal in 103 days from now doesn't mean Gen Con will be normal; we know a few reasons why it can't, already.
I don't see any reason to not accommodate a lot more by sept, esp while a lot of other events are going 100 like the colts are.  
The problem is that gencon isn't a fixed size.  As you increase the number of people you need to allow for an increase in the number of events which in turn requires an increase in the amount of space.  Gencon had to first pick a date when they could operate, this limited the amount of space they could use.  In addition they needed follow rules for capacity based on current information not what "might be true" at the time of the convention (we have all seen what happens when airlines or hotels oversell).

Now for the colts example (and other stadium events) they have a fixed capacity (there are only so many seats).  So for them to go from 50% to 100% capacity requires no additional work.  In fact its easier for them as there is less work when NOT closing spaces off.

Posted by sovietprince traveller

traveller wrote:
sovietprince wrote:
kd8esu wrote:
sovietprince wrote:
I am getting optimistic that things will be close to normal come sept, :)
I am holding to the idea that even if everything else will be back to normal by the time the Gathering of the Nerds happens, because of logistical and time issues (and the Colts having a home game that weekend taking up Lucas Oil Stadium), this will not be a full 60,000+ Con this year with all the major things we normally see.
Also, with Winter setting into the Southern Hemisphere, no one knows what it'll look like with that; nor, for that matter, how international travel will work.Just because things may go completely back to normal in 103 days from now doesn't mean Gen Con will be normal; we know a few reasons why it can't, already.
I don't see any reason to not accommodate a lot more by sept, esp while a lot of other events are going 100 like the colts are.  
The problem is that gencon isn't a fixed size.  As you increase the number of people you need to allow for an increase in the number of events which in turn requires an increase in the amount of space.  Gencon had to first pick a date when they could operate, this limited the amount of space they could use.  In addition they needed follow rules for capacity based on current information not what "might be true" at the time of the convention (we have all seen what happens when airlines or hotels oversell).Now for the colts example (and other stadium events) they have a fixed capacity (there are only so many seats).  So for them to go from 50% to 100% capacity requires no additional work.  In fact its easier for them as there is less work when NOT closing spaces off.
would a limit of badges be the same thing ?

Posted by brooks

As of June 8th, the ICC is now only requiring masks/social distancing for anyone who is not fully vaccinated:

COVID-19 Operating Plan

Posted by pshep999

I am wondering if there will be groups running games that require all persons attending their session/s to wear masks? I don't care either way. I will attend GenCon in a full hazmat suit if need but but I hope that the person/persons running sessions at least state somewhere whether they personally wish players to wear mask or not. 

Posted by garhkal

Woohoo!!

Posted by hahnarama brooks

brooks wrote:
As of June 8th, the ICC is now only requiring masks/social distancing for anyone who is not fully vaccinated:
COVID-19 Operating Plan
But that wouldn't stop Gen Con from requiring masks

Posted by matthias9

Yeah, I was just going to say -- the ICC not requiring masks doesn't mean that Gen Con won't.  In fact, their previous statements suggest they may well do so.  Personally, I hope they don't require them.  They can be a nuisance and, especially at RPG events, it can be hard enough to hear people as it is.

 

Posted by kevinrg pshep999

pshep999 wrote:
I am wondering if there will be groups running games that require all persons attending their session/s to wear masks? I don't care either way. I will attend GenCon in a full hazmat suit if need but but I hope that the person/persons running sessions at least state somewhere whether they personally wish players to wear mask or not. 

I doubt that Gencon will allow any group to come up with their own health rules.   Seems like that is just asking for problems.

Posted by sovietprince

Vaccinated people should not be required mask since there protected, that what science says not me 

Posted by lore seeker matthias9

matthias9 wrote:
Yeah, I was just going to say -- the ICC not requiring masks doesn't mean that Gen Con won't.  In fact, their previous statements suggest they may well do so.  Personally, I hope they don't require them.  They can be a nuisance and, especially at RPG events, it can be hard enough to hear people as it is.
 

I hope they at least let people unmask during games (they're already going to let them do so in the designated eating areas, right?).

Posted by hahnarama sovietprince

sovietprince wrote:
Vaccinated people should not be required mask since there protected, that what science says not me 
OK then are you saying that everyone who is going to attend needs to show proof of vaccination ? 

I'm right there with you about science/medicine/math not lying....but this is just me I think the numbers are going in the wrong damn direction. 

OK time go play more games and grab a beer...

everyone go enjoy the rest of the weekend

Posted by matthias9 hahnarama

hahnarama wrote:
sovietprince wrote:
Vaccinated people should not be required mask since there protected, that what science says not me 
OK then are you saying that everyone who is going to attend needs to show proof of vaccination ? 

I'm right there with you about science/medicine/math not lying....but this is just me I think the numbers are going in the wrong damn direction. 


That's not what he (or she) said.  And that's not how it would need to be applied.

In fact, most places in my community have a sign up that says something like "Masks not required for fully vaccinated customers".  But, they're not carding you at the door.  Are people who are choosing not to get vaccinated wearing a mask as required?  Probably not.  But we're going to be living with these people forever.

And the numbers are not going "the wrong damn direction".  Unless  you want them to go up?

(Average new cases per day this week were down about 20% from last week.)  But, at least in the U.S., we're probably approaching plateau of how good we will ever get without convincing the holdouts to get a shot.  Maybe get a bit better when kids 11 and under are eligible.  Other than that, I don't see what we'd be waiting for to change anything for the better -- ever.

Posted by garhkal lore seeker

father bloodlust wrote:
matthias9 wrote:
Yeah, I was just going to say -- the ICC not requiring masks doesn't mean that Gen Con won't.  In fact, their previous statements suggest they may well do so.  Personally, I hope they don't require them.  They can be a nuisance and, especially at RPG events, it can be hard enough to hear people as it is.

I hope they at least let people unmask during games (they're already going to let them do so in the designated eating areas, right?).

True that.  Even with just 3 game tables in some of those smaller rooms, such as the 102-109 and 120-128, there's been times its been hard to hear the DM speak, cause of the other noise in the room..
It would be expotentially harder, if everyone had to stay masked up while gaming.

Posted by papabees

It is beginning to look like that Indiana has a high enough Vacc rate and previously infected rate that as of July 7th the majority of the mask mandate will be dropped. Our esteemed mayor may throw us a curve ball but things are trending very well here. 

Posted by squirecam papabees

papabees wrote:
It is beginning to look like that Indiana has a high enough Vacc rate and previously infected rate that as of July 7th the majority of the mask mandate will be dropped. Our esteemed mayor may throw us a curve ball but things are trending very well here. 
We will see. The WHO is already recommending the mask mandate be reinstated because of the Delta variant, even for vaccinated people. I can see where masks might be required by September.

https://amp-usatoday-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/7791412002?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16249957483740&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2F2021%2F06%2F29%2Fcovid-variant-vaccines-pandemic-mask-wearing%2F7791412002%2F

Posted by lore seeker

Honestly, as long as there's still an in-person con in September 2021 with at least the capacity allowed right now, I'll be happy - mask or no mask.

Posted by buffythecatslayer papabees

papabees wrote:It is beginning to look like that Indiana has a high enough Vacc rate and previously infected rate that as of July 7th the majority of the mask mandate will be dropped. Our esteemed mayor may throw us a curve ball but things are trending very well here. 

That makes some sense for local businesses in Indiana, but the majority of Gen Con attendees come from other states, some of which have lower than expected vacc rates..  So, masks could still be required, and would make some sense.

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