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Posted by general lopez mikeboozer
#626

mikeboozer wrote:
helenbb wrote:
I'm sorry to hear that you are not attending Bushmaster. I agree that wearing a mask is problematic and frustrating, especially when trying to game. But I'd rather be at Gen Con with a mask than at home without one, so I am going.
I do agree that everyone has to make the decision that is right for hem. Hopefully, Gen Con will make a firm declaration of the FINAL procedures, so that everyone can do that.

We definitely will make a Final decision. Not sure why there is a question about that? 
We have to make a decision in a timely manner so everyone can decide what they will do.Mike

Perfect easy policy suggestion :) 

Vaccinated - no mask except exhibit hall, or if a GM requires
Non vaccinated - 48hr test and mask required 

Pretty much the Gencon policy from June 2021 before Delta hit hard and it had to be changed. 

 

Posted by squirecam general lopez
#627

general lopez wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
helenbb wrote:
I'm sorry to hear that you are not attending Bushmaster. I agree that wearing a mask is problematic and frustrating, especially when trying to game. But I'd rather be at Gen Con with a mask than at home without one, so I am going.
I do agree that everyone has to make the decision that is right for hem. Hopefully, Gen Con will make a firm declaration of the FINAL procedures, so that everyone can do that.

We definitely will make a Final decision. Not sure why there is a question about that? 
We have to make a decision in a timely manner so everyone can decide what they will do.Mike

Perfect easy policy suggestion :) Vaccinated - no mask except exhibit hall, or if a GM requires
Non vaccinated - 48hr test and mask required 
Pretty much the Gencon policy from June 2021 before Delta hit hard and it had to be changed. 
 
This would be the opposite of easy and would just create issues. Whatever the rules are, they need to apply to everyone. 

Posted by general lopez squirecam
#628

squirecam wrote:
general lopez wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
helenbb wrote:
I'm sorry to hear that you are not attending Bushmaster. I agree that wearing a mask is problematic and frustrating, especially when trying to game. But I'd rather be at Gen Con with a mask than at home without one, so I am going.
I do agree that everyone has to make the decision that is right for hem. Hopefully, Gen Con will make a firm declaration of the FINAL procedures, so that everyone can do that.

We definitely will make a Final decision. Not sure why there is a question about that? 
We have to make a decision in a timely manner so everyone can decide what they will do.Mike

Perfect easy policy suggestion :) Vaccinated - no mask except exhibit hall, or if a GM requires
Non vaccinated - 48hr test and mask required 
Pretty much the Gencon policy from June 2021 before Delta hit hard and it had to be changed. 
This would be the opposite of easy and would just create issues. Whatever the rules are, they need to apply to everyone. 

A simple wristband like they planned to last year would make it easy. When you sit down at a GM's table its usually there rules, this would be just one more. Plus it would allow companies like Paizo to keep a mask policy in their event area if they choose, and keep some vendors happy in the exhibit hall. I think it would be a good middle ground to keeping as many as possible on both sides happy with out going to either extreme.  

Posted by samlamiam general lopez
#629

general lopez wrote:
 

A simple wristband like they planned to last year would make it easy. When you sit down at a GM's table its usually there rules, this would be just one more. Plus it would allow companies like Paizo to keep a mask policy in their event area if they choose, and keep some vendors happy in the exhibit hall. I think it would be a good middle ground to keeping as many as possible on both sides happy with out going to either extreme.  

If I had the time to plan for a compromise, I'd keep masks in the exhibit hall, but carve the gaming hall into two sections - one section for GMs who want everyone masked, and one section for those who don't care.  Last year the vendor hall had a mask-free zone, so we know it is possible for people to transition between a masks-required zone and a masks-optional zone.

Vendors with their own space (True Dungeon, CGE, etc.) could set their own rules. Gen Con could have one uniform signage used that lets people know when they are entering a masking-required area.

Vendors who want 100% masking would have it in their area, but GMs and players who want to play at a table with masks optional would have a space where they could do that.  Attendees who strongly favor masks could stick to mask-only events, and those who feel burdened by 4 days of non-stop mask wearing could attend some events where they could play mask free with a few other like-minded people in an area not as crowded as the vendor hall.

Easier said than done, probably, but I'm just spitballing.

Posted by kevinrg
#630

I sure wouldn't want individual GM's to determine mask/no mask rules.  That is putting a lot on them and would open the gates to unnecessary confrontations/bitterness/angst so, I doubt GC would even consider that.

Would be nice to have an open gaming / masks optional area though.   Every hotel in GC is going to have people open gaming with no masks so, just having an 'official' area in GC would be nice.

 

Posted by dpuck1998 mikeboozer
#631

mikeboozer wrote:
helenbb wrote:
I'm sorry to hear that you are not attending Bushmaster. I agree that wearing a mask is problematic and frustrating, especially when trying to game. But I'd rather be at Gen Con with a mask than at home without one, so I am going.
I do agree that everyone has to make the decision that is right for hem. Hopefully, Gen Con will make a firm declaration of the FINAL procedures, so that everyone can do that.

We definitely will make a Final decision. Not sure why there is a question about that? 
We have to make a decision in a timely manner so everyone can decide what they will do.Mike

Lets be Honest Mike, GenCon made the decision last year after the refund date.  I think most of would just like that timeline to be beat this year.  Is that something that GenCon is promising?

Posted by qwaserity
#632

I like the idea of wrist bands but when you multiple bands times attendee numbers that becomes a pretty penny.

Now I wouldn't say no to a band that reads, "I got vaccinated and all I got was this lousy wristband." 

Gamehole con in Madison Wisconsin had rubber bands last year that read "vaccinated" and "Gamehole Con". Nifty, but again... money.

Posted by joho
#633

Shared enclosed space = shared rules. We’re talking an airborne virus where ~45 seconds of getting on a city bus other people will be breathing your particles. 

the spacers are bigger, but probably not well ventilated, and we’re talking way more people in the spaces. 

 solution for enforcement and compliance are a set of across the board rules with easily verified compliance: visible cloth/medical masks (not neck gaiters or kerchiefs) and visible non interchangeable vaccination status signifier (wristband).

establishing official entrances with checkpoints to enter the ICC with visual verification. 

 

Posted by brooks joho
#634

joho wrote:the spacers are bigger, but probably not well ventilated, and we’re talking way more people in the spaces. 

Per the ICC website: 

  • Hospital-grade air filters and 24/7 air circulation during events

Posted by xanathon mikeboozer
#635

mikeboozer wrote:
To clarify a bit...
We do not just look to the CDC for guidance. We have stated that we are looking at a many factors and listed some of them throughout our updates.
Our aim is to make this as safe an environment as we can for everyone. 
To be even clearer that is not just the attendees. There are a lot more factors that we must manage to have we would regard as a safe and successful convention.
Mike
Mike,

I'm not trying to be argumentative here.  Since COVID is a virus I fail to see why Gen Con LLC would seek any other guidance than what the CDC has as any other guidance would make the situation more confusing than it already is.

 

Posted by lore seeker xanathon
#636

xanathon wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
To clarify a bit...
We do not just look to the CDC for guidance. We have stated that we are looking at a many factors and listed some of them throughout our updates.
Our aim is to make this as safe an environment as we can for everyone. 
To be even clearer that is not just the attendees. There are a lot more factors that we must manage to have we would regard as a safe and successful convention.
Mike
Mike,I'm not trying to be argumentative here.  Since COVID is a virus I fail to see why Gen Con LLC would seek any other guidance than what the CDC has as any other guidance would make the situation more confusing than it already is.
 

I have a feeling he means that they have to consider whether to be even more cautious than the CDC recommends, and what measures to take to enforce that extra caution.

That's just an educated guess, though.

Posted by kevinrg joho
#637

joho wrote:
visible cloth/medical masks (not neck gaiters or kerchiefs) and visible non interchangeable vaccination status signifier (wristband).
Per their rules posted :

  • Neck gaiters are acceptable if they follow the above guidelines.

The 1st comment is science and going down that path has been repeatedly knocked down by admins.

 

Posted by mjlaba48
#638

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Posted by donaldbain mjlaba48
#639

mjlaba48 wrote:
The great majority of Covid cases, which are very few, are the unvaccinated.
That is so far from the truth, it's not even funny. 

No one wants to wear masks, they are willing to because it can help other people. 

Posted by austicke mjlaba48
#640

mjlaba48 wrote:it’s hard for me to understand why people still want to be wearing masks.

I wear a mask because it helps prevent catching COVID and spreading it to others. Is that so difficult to understand?

Posted by dpuck1998 austicke
#641

austicke wrote:
mjlaba48 wrote:it’s hard for me to understand why people still want to be wearing masks.

I wear a mask because it helps prevent catching COVID and spreading it to others. Is that so difficult to understand?

Actually yes, but there is no arguing the science here so you should refrain as has been asked repeatedly. 

Posted by mjlaba48
#642

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Posted by kevinrg
#643

This is turning down a not good path. . . 

 

Posted by donaldbain mjlaba48
#644

mjlaba48 wrote:Hope this helps.  
Not if you're not wearing any kind of a mask anywhere you go. 

Posted by sovietprince joho
#645

joho wrote:
Shared enclosed space = shared rules. We’re talking an airborne virus where ~45 seconds of getting on a city bus other people will be breathing your particles. 
the spacers are bigger, but probably not well ventilated, and we’re talking way more people in the spaces. 
 solution for enforcement and compliance are a set of across the board rules with easily verified compliance: visible cloth/medical masks (not neck gaiters or kerchiefs) and visible non interchangeable vaccination status signifier (wristband).
establishing official entrances with checkpoints to enter the ICC with visual verification. 
 

death rate is way down even if cases are up, we can't wear mask for the rest of our lifes 

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