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Posted by matthias9 picosaurus

picosaurus wrote:
I'll be travelling to GenCon from the UK, will I be able to use my NHS app or a print-out to prove my vaccination status?

One would think so.  But you have to realize that they haven't announced any of the procedures yet, so there really isn't any official answer available at this time.

To get an idea what you could expect, you could look at what they were considering doing last year.  [They ultimately changed this plan.]  However, they had announced that masks were required, but if you showed vaccination proof at a health kiosk, you could get a wristband that made masks optional.  So -- maybe -- you're showing your vaccination print-out at a health kiosk.  Or something like that.  Or at badge check in / will call.  *IF* they require vaccines, which is what they are saying now (but could change, I suppose), they will undoubtedly have a solution announced for people like you.  As long as you have your proof, I wouldn't be too worried.

But, again, there is no actual answer to this question available right now.  The preceding paragraph is just speculation.

Posted by dbs

I don't need to know their exact procedure and I realize their policy may change.  I would just like some confirmation, before making non-refundable travel arrangements, that our government issued proof of vaccination will be accepted, even though it is not a US Vaccination Card.  I would also like confirmation that 3 shots counts as fully vaccinated even if the US rolls out second booster shots before we can get one.

Posted by traveller

From the CDC page CDC FAQ

You are considered fully vaccinated if you

  • Received any single-dose COVID-19 vaccine series that is authorized or approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) or listed for emergency use by World Health Organization (WHO).
  • *Received any combinationexternal icon of two doses of an FDA approved/authorized or WHO emergency use listed COVID-19 two-dose series.

*CDC does not recommend mixing different COVID-19 vaccines for the primary series, but CDC is aware that this is increasingly common in many countries outside of the United States. Therefore, for the interpretation of vaccination records, these people are considered fully vaccinated.Accepted COVID-19 VaccinesAccepted COVID-19 VaccinesVaccines Approved or Authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug AdministrationVaccines Listed for Emergency Use (EUL) by the World Health OrganizationCertain Clinical Trial Vaccines which Have Confirmed Efficacy  Single dose

  •  Janssen/J&J


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2-dose series


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Posted by mikeboozer dbs

dbs wrote:
I don't need to know their exact procedure and I realize their policy may change.  I would just like some confirmation, before making non-refundable travel arrangements, that our government issued proof of vaccination will be accepted, even though it is not a US Vaccination Card.  I would also like confirmation that 3 shots counts as fully vaccinated even if the US rolls out second booster shots before we can get one.

Your government issued proof of vaccination will be accepted.

Mike

Posted by dbs

Thanks, Mike!

Posted by vulcanspock

I don't think Gen Con would ever seriously consider rules like this that block out the whole world besides the U.S.

But yeah it stinks trying to make travel plans in a pandemic.  Hopefully no more curveballs this year.

Posted by dbs

I agree.  I don't think they would ever do it on purpose.  But I would hate to be turned away because an employee, or possibly a volunteer, wasn't informed about other documents.  I'm confident they've thought it through.

Posted by picosaurus mikeboozer

mikeboozer wrote:
dbs wrote:
I don't need to know their exact procedure and I realize their policy may change.  I would just like some confirmation, before making non-refundable travel arrangements, that our government issued proof of vaccination will be accepted, even though it is not a US Vaccination Card.  I would also like confirmation that 3 shots counts as fully vaccinated even if the US rolls out second booster shots before we can get one.

Your government issued proof of vaccination will be accepted.Mike

Thank you Mike, traveller and matthias9! Your responses were helpful.

Posted by buffythecatslayer

I've read this thread, and I haven't seen a definitive answer on how they will handle vaccination verification.  At Will Call?  They'd have to increase the size of the Will Call staff 20-fold if all attendees, even those that get their badges mailed, have to go to WC to show vax proof.  And once we've shown our vax cards, do we get a wristband or something else so we can move freely in & out of the exhibit hall over all 4 days?

Posted by mikeboozer buffythecatslayer

buffythecatslayer wrote:
I've read this thread, and I haven't seen a definitive answer on how they will handle vaccination verification.  At Will Call?  They'd have to increase the size of the Will Call staff 20-fold if all attendees, even those that get their badges mailed, have to go to WC to show vax proof.  And once we've shown our vax cards, do we get a wristband or something else so we can move freely in & out of the exhibit hall over all 4 days?

We are still working on these. When we know, you will know!

We will not be doing this at Will Call fyi.

Mike

Posted by buffythecatslayer

Thanks for the prompt response Mike.  We wait with bated breath.

Posted by samlamiam

I had a couple flights in the last week - one right after the air travel mask mandate was struck down in court and one several days later. 

On the first flight the only people wearing masks (that I saw) were the airline employees.  On the later flight even the airline employees were maskless (I suspect the airline had relaxed its employee mask mandate between my two flights), but I did spot one or two passengers wearing masks.  Both flights were completely full.

My takeaway from this experience was:  When people are given a choice right now, very few choose to wear masks - even if they are packed in with strangers. 

So - fair warning to anyone who believes a maskless Gen Con would present a significant risk to their life - better plan on driving to and from Indianapolis.

This is of course all anecdotal, and I have no problem with Gen Con taking a wait-and-see approach - because circumstances might turn for the worse.  Just contributing to the conversation.
 

Posted by grognard262 samlamiam

samlamiam wrote:When people are given a choice right now, very few choose to wear masks - even if they are packed in with strangers.

I'm not sure that choice is even a deciding factor.  I was at Gary Con last month and masks were required, but roughly 50% of attendees simply refused to wear them.  Players were taking votes at the start of gaming sessions, and the masks came off.  Management posted warnings on social media, hung signs in doorways, and had people walking around asking attendees to wear masks and nothing worked.  I think people have reached the limit of their tolerance for it.  Gen Con will have their hands full enforcing it.

Posted by mbeauparland grognard262

chaoticneutral262 wrote:
samlamiam wrote:When people are given a choice right now, very few choose to wear masks - even if they are packed in with strangers.

I'm not sure that choice is even a deciding factor.  I was at Gary Con last month and masks were required, but roughly 50% of attendees simply refused to wear them.  Players were taking votes at the start of gaming sessions, and the masks came off.  Management posted warnings on social media, hung signs in doorways, and had people walking around asking attendees to wear masks and nothing worked.  I think people have reached the limit of their tolerance for it.  Gen Con will have their hands full enforcing it.
I've no doubt Gen Con will ask people to leave,  if whatever their final policy turns out to be is violated. 

I wasn't at Gary Con, but it sounds more like they chose not to enforce their rules when it became inconvenient....

Adepticon required proof of vaccination, but no mask.  As far as I've heard there wasn't  massive spike in cases....

Posted by lehane

Planet Comicon just finished in Kansas City. There was no mask mandate cause the city didn't have one. So keep an eye on Kansas City for a spike in cases or not. 

There was also a large under 18 dance competition there this past weekend, two concerts, and a Prom. Restaurants were packed more than usual. The Yardhouse had an hour and a half to two hours for a table for two people. 

And as I said the City had no mask mandate.

Posted by lemauxjw

 

Posted by nesbit37 grognard262

chaoticneutral262 wrote:
samlamiam wrote:When people are given a choice right now, very few choose to wear masks - even if they are packed in with strangers.

I'm not sure that choice is even a deciding factor.  I was at Gary Con last month and masks were required, but roughly 50% of attendees simply refused to wear them.  Players were taking votes at the start of gaming sessions, and the masks came off.  Management posted warnings on social media, hung signs in doorways, and had people walking around asking attendees to wear masks and nothing worked.  I think people have reached the limit of their tolerance for it.  Gen Con will have their hands full enforcing it.
I was also at Gary Con and it was very much them not enforcing their own rules.  I only saw a Gary Con volunteer come into a room twice and ask people to put their masks up.  They asked, left, and people ignored them.  There were no consequences at Gary Con for going around maskless and having several of the organizers and VIPs just going maskless wherever they felt like it embolden people.  There were also many people, at least half and probably more, that did stay masked at Gary Con when playing games.  It was not an all of nothing thing.

Posted by lemauxjw mbeauparland

mbeauparland wrote:I've no doubt Gen Con will ask people to leave,  if whatever their final policy turns out to be is violated. I wasn't at Gary Con, but it sounds more like they chose not to enforce their rules when it became inconvenient....
Adepticon required proof of vaccination, but no mask.  As far as I've heard there wasn't  massive spike in cases....

Trying to police 50,000 people to ensure everyone is wearing masks at all times is an almost impossible task. 

I could see the checkers at the doors requiring masks (along with badges) when you enter a hall, but I don't think you'll get a lot of support if you ask the game masters or those running the events to also have to be responsible for ensuring all the participants wear their mask during the event.  It'll be a repeat of Home Depot / Sam's Club in 2020 when most store employees decided that it just wasn't worth their time.

If some or most of the attendees decide to shed their masks during the middle of an event once they've got past the check points, there's really not much GC can realistically do about it. 

1 or 2 people can get kicked out. 

5,000?  No.

Posted by noone lemauxjw

lemauxjw wrote:
mbeauparland wrote:I've no doubt Gen Con will ask people to leave,  if whatever their final policy turns out to be is violated. I wasn't at Gary Con, but it sounds more like they chose not to enforce their rules when it became inconvenient....
Adepticon required proof of vaccination, but no mask.  As far as I've heard there wasn't  massive spike in cases....

Trying to police 50,000 people to ensure everyone is wearing masks at all times is an almost impossible task. I could see the checkers at the doors requiring masks (along with badges) when you enter a hall, but I don't think you'll get a lot of support if you ask the game masters or those running the events to also have to be responsible for ensuring all the participants wear their mask during the event.  It'll be a repeat of Home Depot / Sam's Club in 2020 when most store employees decided that it just wasn't worth their time.
If some or most of the attendees decide to shed their masks during the middle of an event once they've got past the check points, there's really not much GC can realistically do about it. 
1 or 2 people can get kicked out. 
5,000?  No.
actually thats how events were ran last year.  Masks required unless actively eating or drinking.  Gamemasters were to enforce it.  If so m energy wasn't following the rules, the game.aster was to get a hall captain who would ask the attendee to follow the rules or leave.  Its in the gamemasters guide for this year too.  As for game masters not following the rules since most game masters wish to run events at future gencons you will find most will enforce a face mask policy if gencon requires it.

Posted by mikeboozer lemauxjw

lemauxjw wrote:
mbeauparland wrote:I've no doubt Gen Con will ask people to leave,  if whatever their final policy turns out to be is violated. I wasn't at Gary Con, but it sounds more like they chose not to enforce their rules when it became inconvenient....
Adepticon required proof of vaccination, but no mask.  As far as I've heard there wasn't  massive spike in cases....

Trying to police 50,000 people to ensure everyone is wearing masks at all times is an almost impossible task. I could see the checkers at the doors requiring masks (along with badges) when you enter a hall, but I don't think you'll get a lot of support if you ask the game masters or those running the events to also have to be responsible for ensuring all the participants wear their mask during the event.  It'll be a repeat of Home Depot / Sam's Club in 2020 when most store employees decided that it just wasn't worth their time.
If some or most of the attendees decide to shed their masks during the middle of an event once they've got past the check points, there's really not much GC can realistically do about it. 
1 or 2 people can get kicked out. 
5,000?  No.

If that is the final policy it can and will be enforced. This is the same exact argument that was proposed last year about peoples willingness to comply.
There was a mask policy and it was enforced. People did comply. Gamers are for the most part a genial lot is my experience. ;)

Mike

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