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Posted by joho

I was in FL in February and masking was in place still for buses/monorails/planes. We kept our masks on when indoors. UNTIL the last couple days when we went to a movie and we’re lax. Guess who had COVID symptoms right after returning from FL? I wouldn’t hold up the lax rules of the states as an example of what is safe and best for prevention.

Posted by cinnibar

And.... Disney owns Gen Con?  

Posted by papabees joho

joho wrote:
I was in FL in February and masking was in place still for buses/monorails/planes. We kept our masks on when indoors. UNTIL the last couple days when we went to a movie and we’re lax. Guess who had COVID symptoms right after returning from FL? I wouldn’t hold up the lax rules of the states as an example of what is safe and best for prevention.
Were you hospitalized? Or did you just have a cold? COVID is never leaving. To all of you who still want to mask, what benchmark do you want to see to feel like it's "safe"? Legit question.

Wasn't the point initially to make sure hospitals are not over taxed? Why has that changed? If hospitalizations aren't going up, the number of cases really don't matter. Humans get sick sometimes and always will. 

Posted by helenbb

Agreed. COVID is the new flu: around every year, contagious to all, a minor inconvenience to most, serious to a few (who should take precautions of their own accord).

At this point, if we didn't do something for the flu, we shouldn't be doing it for COVID.

NOTE: this is my personal opinion, and while I would love for Gen Con to recognize this, I also understand that they won't. The media has spent so long terrifying us about COVID that many people remain scared, and clearly a lot of those people will be at Gen Con.

Posted by joho papabees

papabees wrote:
joho wrote:
I was in FL in February and masking was in place still for buses/monorails/planes. We kept our masks on when indoors. UNTIL the last couple days when we went to a movie and we’re lax. Guess who had COVID symptoms right after returning from FL? I wouldn’t hold up the lax rules of the states as an example of what is safe and best for prevention.
Were you hospitalized? Or did you just have a cold? COVID is never leaving. To all of you who still want to mask, what benchmark do you want to see to feel like it's "safe"? Legit question.Wasn't the point initially to make sure hospitals are not over taxed? Why has that changed? If hospitalizations aren't going up, the number of cases really don't matter. Humans get sick sometimes and always will. 
I was laid up for a week with fatigue, fever, congestion plus loss of taste & smell - my outcome was only this mild because I was vaccinated and boosted and am youngish for a Gen Xer. It was not fun and way worse than a cold. I was relieved that I got I’ll after returning home because to get sick during the vacation would have really sucked.

Let’s hope the requirements stay in place, people maintain them and stay healthy, and that those who do contract symptoms are prepared to stay in their hotel room/delay return flight until their symptoms have abated.

Posted by lehane papabees

Everyone's personal story is going to be different. 

I went to Planet Comicon in Kansas City last year in August with a mask mandate but caught Covid then. I went back to Planet Comicon in March with no mask mandate and did not catch covid. For the record I was vaccinated for both trips. Obviously being vaccinated and wearing a mask didn't prevent covid. 

There is no correct answer that will apply to every case equally. 

papabees wrote:
COVID is never leaving.  
This is likely the truest statement that will be uttered in this entire thread. 

Posted by mps

If SD Comic-con (twice the size of GC) is accepting a negative test as an option, seems Gencon might want to consider that option. Since both can contract and carry, just knowing you don't have it 72 ahead is marginally safter than pretending you are immune.  Actually, someone who had it in the last six months is the saftest not to get again or spread. 

 

Posted by joho

Also take note that reinfection is more common with omicron, they are finding the natural immunity waning in 2-3 months, much faster under these newer variants, so having your vaccines and exercising basic precaution like masking are good practices.

Posted by general lopez mps

mps wrote:
If SD Comic-con (twice the size of GC) is accepting a negative test as an option, seems Gencon might want to consider that option. Since both can contract and carry, just knowing you don't have it 72 ahead is marginally safter than pretending you are immune.  Actually, someone who had it in the last six months is the saftest not to get again or spread. 
 

Also C2E2 another much larger convention in Chicago that is the same weekend as Gencon, is also allowing a testing option, and are not requiring mask, with the exception of certain event areas. 

Posted by samlamiam joho

joho wrote: exercising basic precaution like masking 

Is masking a "basic" precaution when a group of vaccinated people get together? 

Posted by toxic_rat samlamiam

samlamiam wrote:
joho wrote: exercising basic precaution like masking 

Is masking a "basic" precaution when a group of vaccinated people get together? 
Well, that's kind of the question isn't it?  I _think_ we all agree that vaccination is a good idea, and it greatly reduces the risk of infection.  Vaccination and prior infection appears to be even better, for a time at least.  Masks likely provide some incremental increase in protection...but where do we stop requiring more and more incremental increases?  There are so many other factors that affect a persons health.  Do you smoke/vape?  Shouldn't do that, as it increases your risk of respiratory illness.  Overweight?  Obesity is a big risk factor.  Should GenCon shut down at 10PM so that everyone can get 8 hours of sleep?  What about daily testing, just in case someone was exposed while eating at one of the local restaurants?  How safe is safe enough?

And that's where we go around and around.  Everyone's 'safe' is going to be different than the next person.

 

Posted by sovietprince joho

joho wrote:
papabees wrote:
joho wrote:
I was in FL in February and masking was in place still for buses/monorails/planes. We kept our masks on when indoors. UNTIL the last couple days when we went to a movie and we’re lax. Guess who had COVID symptoms right after returning from FL? I wouldn’t hold up the lax rules of the states as an example of what is safe and best for prevention.
Were you hospitalized? Or did you just have a cold? COVID is never leaving. To all of you who still want to mask, what benchmark do you want to see to feel like it's "safe"? Legit question.Wasn't the point initially to make sure hospitals are not over taxed? Why has that changed? If hospitalizations aren't going up, the number of cases really don't matter. Humans get sick sometimes and always will. 
I was laid up for a week with fatigue, fever, congestion plus loss of taste & smell - my outcome was only this mild because I was vaccinated and boosted and am youngish for a Gen Xer. It was not fun and way worse than a cold. I was relieved that I got I’ll after returning home because to get sick during the vacation would have really sucked.Let’s hope the requirements stay in place, people maintain them and stay healthy, and that those who do contract symptoms are prepared to stay in their hotel room/delay return flight until their symptoms have abated.

Let's not.....

In the beginning when ppl were dying in numbers and hosp are going up I was for mask mandatory, but we got vax and treatments now, the hosp rate is low, death are at a all time low which will be prob the lowest it will be for years if there is a time to be a lil more lax it's now. I don't plan on wearing a mask the rest of my life I am up to date with my vax shots and ready to try to get back to as much normal as I can, I mean I am not getting any younger lol. 

I want the abilty to decide for myself when a mask is needed, if I want to sit in an open space and rest I like the abilty to be maskless I don't want other people to tell me I can't take my mask off in an open area with almost no one around 

Posted by sovietprince toxic_rat

toxic_rat wrote:
samlamiam wrote:
joho wrote: exercising basic precaution like masking 

Is masking a "basic" precaution when a group of vaccinated people get together? 
Well, that's kind of the question isn't it?  I _think_ we all agree that vaccination is a good idea, and it greatly reduces the risk of infection.  Vaccination and prior infection appears to be even better, for a time at least.  Masks likely provide some incremental increase in protection...but where do we stop requiring more and more incremental increases?  There are so many other factors that affect a persons health.  Do you smoke/vape?  Shouldn't do that, as it increases your risk of respiratory illness.  Overweight?  Obesity is a big risk factor.  Should GenCon shut down at 10PM so that everyone can get 8 hours of sleep?  What about daily testing, just in case someone was exposed while eating at one of the local restaurants?  How safe is safe enough?And that's where we go around and around.  Everyone's 'safe' is going to be different than the next person.
 
I lol at the bold :p

but exactly right when is enough going to be enough? if everyone is vaxed that is pretty decent protection, yes some will get sick but will it be more common then ppl getting sick with anything else. 

Posted by samlamiam sovietprince

sovietprince wrote:
toxic_rat wrote:
samlamiam wrote:
joho wrote: exercising basic precaution like masking 

Is masking a "basic" precaution when a group of vaccinated people get together? 
Well, that's kind of the question isn't it?  I _think_ we all agree that vaccination is a good idea, and it greatly reduces the risk of infection.  Vaccination and prior infection appears to be even better, for a time at least.  Masks likely provide some incremental increase in protection...but where do we stop requiring more and more incremental increases?  There are so many other factors that affect a persons health.  Do you smoke/vape?  Shouldn't do that, as it increases your risk of respiratory illness.  Overweight?  Obesity is a big risk factor.  Should GenCon shut down at 10PM so that everyone can get 8 hours of sleep?  What about daily testing, just in case someone was exposed while eating at one of the local restaurants?  How safe is safe enough?And that's where we go around and around.  Everyone's 'safe' is going to be different than the next person.
I lol at the bold :pbut exactly right when is enough going to be enough? if everyone is vaxed that is pretty decent protection, yes some will get sick but will it be more common then ppl getting sick with anything else. 

How many lives would be saved by a BMI mandate?

Posted by cinnibar

Amazing how the talking points have shifted since Origins changed their policy.

Posted by brooks father bloodlust

father bloodlust wrote:
lehane wrote:
brumcg wrote:
Origins just reinstated mandatory masking for 2022.
https://twitter.com/originsgames/status/1526638918757646338
Does it look like the city of Columbus will impose a mask mandate or does it look like it will be limited to the convention?

The city council voted unanimously to end it back in March, with the mayor quickly signing off on it. Even if they do want to bring it back, I'm not sure they could work fast enough to do it in time for Origins.

I live in Central Ohio and while Columbus (and Franklin County) had a mask mandate until March, most of the surrounding communities nixed theirs months before that and never reinstated them. Additionally the Ohio Department of Health released an update today, that yes cases are rising, but hospitalizations are only 8.67% of what they were during the peak of the pandemic and over the past three weeks deaths have reduced by 16%. Franklin County is currently in the "green" level for community transmission and Dr. Vanderhoff is quoted as saying, "This is good news as we head into warmer weather..."

I cannot see any chance of Columbus or Franklin County reinstating a mask mandate. Even when the Columbus mandate was in effect, it was ignored by a significant percentage of the population and there did not seem to be any pushback against people not wearing masks. In Central Ohio I think there is little to no public buy-in for a mandate and little political will to try imposing one again. 

Ohio health officials put perspective to rising COVID cases | 10tv.com
 

Posted by toxic_rat

Which points have changed?  I think I've been consistent in my view that people should determine their own risk tolerance when it comes to masks.
 

Posted by squirecam brooks

brooks wrote:
father bloodlust wrote:
lehane wrote:
brumcg wrote:
Origins just reinstated mandatory masking for 2022.
https://twitter.com/originsgames/status/1526638918757646338
Does it look like the city of Columbus will impose a mask mandate or does it look like it will be limited to the convention?

The city council voted unanimously to end it back in March, with the mayor quickly signing off on it. Even if they do want to bring it back, I'm not sure they could work fast enough to do it in time for Origins.

I live in Central Ohio and while Columbus (and Franklin County) had a mask mandate until March, most of the surrounding communities nixed theirs months before that and never reinstated them. Additionally the Ohio Department of Health released an update today, that yes cases are rising, but hospitalizations are only 8.67% of what they were during the peak of the pandemic and over the past three weeks deaths have reduced by 16%. Franklin County is currently in the "green" level for community transmission and Dr. Vanderhoff is quoted as saying, "This is good news as we head into warmer weather..."I cannot see any chance of Columbus or Franklin County reinstating a mask mandate. Even when the Columbus mandate was in effect, it was ignored by a significant percentage of the population and there did not seem to be any pushback against people not wearing masks. In Central Ohio I think there is little to no public buy-in for a mandate and little political will to try imposing one again. 
Ohio health officials put perspective to rising COVID cases | 10tv.com
Origins isnt going to a mask mandate because of the city or rising cases. They made a change without listening to their vendors and they got hammered by it.

The vendors dont care what columbus city council thinks. The city council didnt spend thousands of dollars to go there and isnt stuck in the dealer hall. 

 

Posted by donaldbain sovietprince

sovietprince wrote:I want the abilty to decide for myself when a mask is needed, if I want to sit in an open space and rest I like the abilty to be maskless I don't want other people to tell me I can't take my mask off in an open area with almost no one around 
You have that ability, just stick to properties you own.  On other's property, you have to play by their rules.

Posted by brooks squirecam

squirecam wrote:
brooks wrote:
father bloodlust wrote:
lehane wrote:
brumcg wrote:
Origins just reinstated mandatory masking for 2022.
https://twitter.com/originsgames/status/1526638918757646338
Does it look like the city of Columbus will impose a mask mandate or does it look like it will be limited to the convention?

The city council voted unanimously to end it back in March, with the mayor quickly signing off on it. Even if they do want to bring it back, I'm not sure they could work fast enough to do it in time for Origins.

I live in Central Ohio and while Columbus (and Franklin County) had a mask mandate until March, most of the surrounding communities nixed theirs months before that and never reinstated them. Additionally the Ohio Department of Health released an update today, that yes cases are rising, but hospitalizations are only 8.67% of what they were during the peak of the pandemic and over the past three weeks deaths have reduced by 16%. Franklin County is currently in the "green" level for community transmission and Dr. Vanderhoff is quoted as saying, "This is good news as we head into warmer weather..."I cannot see any chance of Columbus or Franklin County reinstating a mask mandate. Even when the Columbus mandate was in effect, it was ignored by a significant percentage of the population and there did not seem to be any pushback against people not wearing masks. In Central Ohio I think there is little to no public buy-in for a mandate and little political will to try imposing one again. 
Ohio health officials put perspective to rising COVID cases | 10tv.com
Origins isnt going to a mask mandate because of the city or rising cases. They made a change without listening to their vendors and they got hammered by it.The vendors dont care what columbus city council thinks. The city council didnt spend thousands of dollars to go there and isnt stuck in the dealer hall. 
 

I apologize, but I think you mistook what I posted. There was a question if Columbus/Franklin County would be instituting a mask mandate and I answered, with the best information I have, that I do not believe that is remotely possible.

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