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Posted by brotherbock brooks
#51

brooks wrote:
brooks wrote:
Ohio DCP? I live in Columbus and haven't heard of that organization/office and a search only turned up Ohio Deferred Compensation. Did you mean the Ohio Department of Health or something similar?Simply curious as that's been big news locally.
For the record, they did not cancel the Arnold Classic. The athletes will still be competing, but it will be closed to the public until the finals in strongman and bodybuilding late Saturday. However they did completely shut down the associated Fitness Expo. Still a huge deal that effects thousands of people, but the event itself is still going on. 

Edited to correct information on the finals the public is allowed to view. 

The organizers announced today they are going to admit spectators unless the city and/or state expressly forbid them to. 
 

Good news.

Otherwise, there'd be a lot of really cross fit people out there.

<crickets>

Posted by funny-shaped dice brotherbock
#52

brotherbock wrote:Good news.Otherwise, there'd be a lot of really cross fit people out there.
<crickets>

:side-eye:

Serious, SERIOUS :side-eye:

;P

Posted by kingslayer
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Posted by roderick
#54

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Posted by [email protected]
#55

I'm coming from Australia with my son. Airline tickets paid and accommodation booked. This is what I said I wanted for my 50th birthday. I've also never been to the U.S. before so we're both really excited to see your amazing country (would love to see a NFL game but I think we're coming at the wrong time). I've even been studying up on tipping- something we don't really have much of over here. I really hope Gen Con goes ahead but totally understand if they cancel it. Not sure what I'll do instead- maybe take 2 weeks off and try to finish Gloomhaven?!

 

Posted by brotherbock [email protected]
#56

[email protected] wrote:
I'm coming from Australia with my son. Airline tickets paid and accommodation booked. This is what I said I wanted for my 50th birthday. I've also never been to the U.S. before so we're both really excited to see your amazing country (would love to see a NFL game but I think we're coming at the wrong time). I've even been studying up on tipping- something we don't really have much of over here. I really hope Gen Con goes ahead but totally understand if they cancel it. Not sure what I'll do instead- maybe take 2 weeks off and try to finish Gloomhaven?!
 

NFL preseason won't have started yet, but the local Indianapolis baseball team (complete with cultural appropriation team name!) is playing a run of home games that whole week and weekend. They play in a stadium right downtown, next to the convention center. I don't watch baseball on TV or follow the sport, but going to a baseball game is one of more enjoyable sports experiences IMO.

Tipping is done really whether or not the service was any good :/ Horrible service might not get a tip, 'meh' service maybe 10%, reasonable to good will get 20% these days. Sounds weird, but it's largely because we don't pay servers livable wages without tips. Restaurant owners as a group have decided that customers should be outright paying their staff, rather than the employer paying them their full salary. And the servers have no real power in the relationship, so...we tip :)

Hope you avoided the fires, and hope you get to come to Gen Con.

Posted by squirecam azurered
#57

azurered wrote:
They just cancelled the Arnold Classic in Columbus. We only got 3 days notice. This pulls in 200k people and makes the city $53m. Reading between the lines it seemed that the organizers wanted to push forward, but the state put a stop to it.
This doesn't bode well for Origins.

GAMA has said several exhibitors cancelled on attending their Reno show. It's still going forward though so far.

https://www.gama.org/news/492165/Current-status-of-Coronavirus-and-GAMA-Expo.htm

Posted by grellden [email protected]
#58

[email protected] wrote:
I'm coming from Australia with my son. Airline tickets paid and accommodation booked. This is what I said I wanted for my 50th birthday. I've also never been to the U.S. before so we're both really excited to see your amazing country (would love to see a NFL game but I think we're coming at the wrong time). I've even been studying up on tipping- something we don't really have much of over here. I really hope Gen Con goes ahead but totally understand if they cancel it. Not sure what I'll do instead- maybe take 2 weeks off and try to finish Gloomhaven?!
 
I've been heading over from Oz for a few years now. You are in for a treat!

Posted by brooks squirecam
#59

squirecam wrote:
azurered wrote:
They just cancelled the Arnold Classic in Columbus. We only got 3 days notice. This pulls in 200k people and makes the city $53m. Reading between the lines it seemed that the organizers wanted to push forward, but the state put a stop to it.
This doesn't bode well for Origins.GAMA has said several exhibitors cancelled on attending their Reno show. It's still going forward though so far.
https://www.gama.org/news/492165/Current-status-of-Coronavirus-and-GAMA-Expo.htm

Just to repeat the Arnold Classic is not cancelled, however it is severely impacted. Also the GAMA press release states that 7 out of 190 exhibitors have cancelled, 0.037%. 

Posted by buffythecatslayer
#60

Also the GAMA press release states that 7 out of 190 exhibitors have cancelled, 0.037%

Uh, that's 3.7%.  Still not a huge amount, but much larger than the statistically insignificant amount it seems from your post.

Posted by squirecam buffythecatslayer
#61

buffythecatslayer wrote:
Also the GAMA press release states that 7 out of 190 exhibitors have cancelled, 0.037%

Uh, that's 3.7%.  Still not a huge amount, but much larger than the statistically insignificant amount it seems from your post.
WOTC is also a big one.

  • Lion Rampant Imports (Canada)
  • GTS Distribution
  • Max Protection
  • Skytear (Italy)
  • Southern Hobby Distribution
  • Star City Games
  • Wizards of the Coast

Posted by brooks squirecam
#62

squirecam wrote:
buffythecatslayer wrote:
Also the GAMA press release states that 7 out of 190 exhibitors have cancelled, 0.037%

Uh, that's 3.7%.  Still not a huge amount, but much larger than the statistically insignificant amount it seems from your post.

WOTC is also a big one.

  • Lion Rampant Imports (Canada)
  • GTS Distribution
  • Max Protection
  • Skytear (Italy)
  • Southern Hobby Distribution
  • Star City Games
  • Wizards of the Coast


Stupid math gets the best of me every time : ) Thanks for catching the error. 

Regarding Wizards... I don't know, it seems like Hasbro has been pulling back from conventions and trade shows for quite some time well before Convid-19. 

 

Posted by brotherbock brooks
#63

brooks wrote:
squirecam wrote:
buffythecatslayer wrote:
Also the GAMA press release states that 7 out of 190 exhibitors have cancelled, 0.037%

Uh, that's 3.7%.  Still not a huge amount, but much larger than the statistically insignificant amount it seems from your post.
WOTC is also a big one.

  • Lion Rampant Imports (Canada)
  • GTS Distribution
  • Max Protection
  • Skytear (Italy)
  • Southern Hobby Distribution
  • Star City Games
  • Wizards of the Coast


Stupid math gets the best of me every time : ) Thanks for catching the error. Regarding Wizards... I don't know, it seems like Hasbro has been pulling back from conventions and trade shows for quite some time well before Convid-19. 

Agreed. How many GC attendees have even noticed that WotC/Hasbro hasn't even had a presence at GC the last few years? Some people complain every year. But no one seems to not come because of that, and the exhibit hall is still full.

IMO, I'm optimistic about GC still for a few reasons. One is the speed at which things are happening right now. People are moving fast to cancel spring events. And the faster people move now, the better off events in late summer are. The entire landscape of big events has changed significantly even since this thread began. And SARS-CoV-2 is not an extinction level event--it's only going to get so bad. And at the speed things are developing, that implies a good chance that we'll reach the nadir sooner rather than later. And from 'only so bad', there's only up.

People are canceling events not because the disease is massively deadly. They are canceling in order to try to stop it from spreading. So what are the possibilities by July:

1) There are still significant places where the disease has not spread and a reasonable chance of stopping it from getting there.
2) There are places it has not spread, but no reasonable chance of stopping it from getting there.
3) It has pretty much spread everywhere.

At the rate it's going, I see 2 and 3 as far more likely than 1. By July, it'll either more or less be everywhere already, or we'll have thrown up our collective hands at trying to stop it from getting everywhere. And in fact, the CDC has already moved from solely 'Containment' to 'Containment and Mitigation'...and will likely be moving more towards Mitigation and away from bothering with containment attempts moving forward.

If 1 was the case in July, canceling big events in July would make sense (like it does now, when containment still is worth the effort). But it'll most likely be 2 or 3 by then. And at that point, canceling makes much less sense.

#64

brotherbock wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
I'm coming from Australia with my son. Airline tickets paid and accommodation booked. This is what I said I wanted for my 50th birthday. I've also never been to the U.S. before so we're both really excited to see your amazing country (would love to see a NFL game but I think we're coming at the wrong time). I've even been studying up on tipping- something we don't really have much of over here. I really hope Gen Con goes ahead but totally understand if they cancel it. Not sure what I'll do instead- maybe take 2 weeks off and try to finish Gloomhaven?!

NFL preseason won't have started yet, but the local Indianapolis baseball team (complete with cultural appropriation team name!) is playing a run of home games that whole week and weekend. They play in a stadium right downtown, next to the convention center. I don't watch baseball on TV or follow the sport, but going to a baseball game is one of more enjoyable sports experiences IMO.Tipping is done really whether or not the service was any good :/ Horrible service might not get a tip, 'meh' service maybe 10%, reasonable to good will get 20% these days. Sounds weird, but it's largely because we don't pay servers livable wages without tips. Restaurant owners as a group have decided that customers should be outright paying their staff, rather than the employer paying them their full salary. And the servers have no real power in the relationship, so...we tip :)
Hope you avoided the fires, and hope you get to come to Gen Con.
Oh that's great advice. Thanks so much:) Yes, our family avoided the fires this year, but there was so much smoke around. Hopefully all good now, at least until next Summer. Much appreciated. Waz

#65

grellden wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
I'm coming from Australia with my son. Airline tickets paid and accommodation booked. This is what I said I wanted for my 50th birthday. I've also never been to the U.S. before so we're both really excited to see your amazing country (would love to see a NFL game but I think we're coming at the wrong time). I've even been studying up on tipping- something we don't really have much of over here. I really hope Gen Con goes ahead but totally understand if they cancel it. Not sure what I'll do instead- maybe take 2 weeks off and try to finish Gloomhaven?!
I've been heading over from Oz for a few years now. You are in for a treat!
Good to hear! Let's hope it goes ahead- I've been waiting awhile to do this:)

Posted by nascragman
#66

for those of us running events, the cost of a cancelled convention is a lot higher.  A ton of effort goes into the Nascrag games.  Writing and drawing and playtests and buying/building props, printing handouts.  Don't take this the wrong way.  This is fun!  And yeah we could probably sit on what we have for a year.  But that would be a year without Playtests and writing and drawing.  That would suck.  And once you get to a certain age you realize that your number of potential Gen Cons is finite.  

Posted by brotherbock nascragman
#67

nascragman wrote:
for those of us running events, the cost of a cancelled convention is a lot higher.  A ton of effort goes into the Nascrag games.  Writing and drawing and playtests and buying/building props, printing handouts.  Don't take this the wrong way.  This is fun!  And yeah we could probably sit on what we have for a year.  But that would be a year without Playtests and writing and drawing.  That would suck.  And once you get to a certain age you realize that your number of potential Gen Cons is finite.  

Agreed. Our games aren't the scale of Nascrag to be sure, but it's still a lot of prep work. Once the game is written, it can be run the following year, I suppose. But that's a lot of sunk costs in the end.

Posted by sjenks voice_of_reason
#68

voice_of_reason wrote:
My problem isn't Gen Con getting cancelled (and hence getting a badge refund), my problem is the nonrefundable airfare which is much more than the badge cost.  Luckily, hotel and car rentals that are just reservations at this point can be cancelled.
I have not purchased my flight tickets yet, but the closer we get, the higher the costs generally get along with worse flight times.
As Brotherbock mentioned above...Perhaps it is too early for Gen Con to make a call, but I hope some decision can be made in the near future so my gaming group and I can either move forward with our plans for 2020, or if we should start looking at 2021.
The issue goes beyond our choice to attend or not.  Some of us are more than just a short car ride away.  Our choices to attend are impacted by airlines and other organizations. 

Scheduling any flights right now I would get the cancel for any reason type flight insurance, even if it is extra money. As far as Gen Con goes it is too far ahead to know. 

Posted by squirecam sjenks
#69

sjenks wrote:
voice_of_reason wrote:
My problem isn't Gen Con getting cancelled (and hence getting a badge refund), my problem is the nonrefundable airfare which is much more than the badge cost.  Luckily, hotel and car rentals that are just reservations at this point can be cancelled.
I have not purchased my flight tickets yet, but the closer we get, the higher the costs generally get along with worse flight times.
As Brotherbock mentioned above...Perhaps it is too early for Gen Con to make a call, but I hope some decision can be made in the near future so my gaming group and I can either move forward with our plans for 2020, or if we should start looking at 2021.
The issue goes beyond our choice to attend or not.  Some of us are more than just a short car ride away.  Our choices to attend are impacted by airlines and other organizations. 

Scheduling any flights right now I would get the cancel for any reason type flight insurance, even if it is extra money. As far as Gen Con goes it is too far ahead to know. 

Southwest at least has no change fees and you can use the credit for another flight.

Posted by nytenor
#70

I know we are a few months away, but this caught my attention

https://www.statesman.com/business/20200306/sxsw-canceled-over-coronavirus-fears

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